THIS week two Nobel-peace-prize laureates, both international figures of inspiration, find themselves visiting Britain: the leader of Myanmar's (ie Burma's) opposition, Aung San Suu Kyi; and also the Tibetans' exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama. On June 19th, in London, the two met.
The rendezvous, not publicised on either of their official schedules, was disclosed by the Dalai Lama's office on Twitter only the next day, where it was described simply as “a private meeting”. The Dalai Lama, who had previously called for Miss Suu Kyi's release from house arrest, is reported to have told her “I have real admiration for your courage.” He also gave her his blessing, as one Buddhist to another. The obvious backdrop to any such blessing would be the separate political struggles of Myanmar and Tibet. The two places have a certain neighbour in common.
China's leaders will not be happy to learn of the meeting. The Dalai Lama's ten-day visit to Britain has given fresh occasion for China to denounce him. In a further measure, the Chinese Olympic committee threatened to withdraw some of its athletes from training in England. The Dalai Lama shrugged off all this as “routine”. He is as accustomed to acting as a hate figure for the Chinese government as he is to being a symbol of hope to many people elsewhere.
Myanmar has also vexed China, its most involved economic partner, of late. Last year its president, Thein Sein, suspended a hydropower dam being built with Chinese backing in northern Myanmar. Reforms that have been initiated by his once perfectly authoritarian government—such as those that enabled Miss Suu Kyi to win a parliamentary seat in April—have been seen in part as an attempt to build better relations with other countries, that Myanmar should not remain so reliant on China's good graces.
One danger for Miss Suu Kyi is that she could develop hate-figure status with the Chinese government. It would surely hurt her movement if she were to join the Dalai Lama in China's official view as a “jackal in monk's clothing” (or a jackal in a htamain, as it were). As her role evolves from dissident to politician, she will have to deal with politicians in Beijing. A meeting with the Dalai Lama does nothing to nurture their trust in her, and could frustrate the sort of progress that her party, the National League for Democracy (NLD), pursues in Myanmar.
That the two met in London may also strain Britain's already tense relations with China. When David Cameron met the Dalai Lama last month, the Chinese government rebuked Britain and called off a senior official's visit.
On the evening of June 19th, Miss Suu Kyi celebrated her 67th birthday at a private garden party in Oxford, her old university and former home. Her return to Britain—by way of Oslo, where she collected the Nobel peace prize that was awarded her in 1991, when she was under house arrest—is part of her second trip outside Myanmar in the past 24 years. (She visited Thailand last week.) In 1988, when she had returned to Yangon (then Rangoon) from Britain to care for her ailing mother, she was caught up in pro-democracy demonstrations. At the time and ever since she chose at great personal sacrifice not to leave Myanmar, for fear that she would not be allowed back.
Her audience with the Dalai Lama is the product of unusual circumstance. She was long not at liberty to leave her home in Yangon; he was forced to flee his in Lhasa. She is working to steer her country in a new direction, while he can do little to influence Tibet's fate. Both must hope that China's displeasure at their meeting will not impede the work that Miss Suu Kyi has ahead of her back home.
(Picture credit: "The official Twitter page of the Office of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama")
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Don't pretend that there is a conflict between Burmese and Tibetan on one side and Chinese on the other side.
It is a conflict between freedom and faith on one side and residual Communism on the other side.
Residual Communism is trying to hide behind ordinary Chinese people like cowards hiding behind civilians in battles, just to postpone extinction.
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"(Picture credit: "The official Twitter page of the Office of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama"
To raise the stature of the Dalai Lama, the West is now referring to the Dalai Lama who colluded with the CIA in Tibet in 1959 as "His Holiness". To be fair, the West should also refer to Bin Laden as "His Holiness, Bin Ladin"
Let’s reduce the present controversy to one of misplaced jargon. No one is “holy.” Holiness isn’t a quality of humans; it is traditionally attributed to God, the Platonic Form of The Good, or someone/something otherworldly. As I recall, the Pope is also entitled “His Holiness” by a tradition perhaps dating back to Nicaea, when the Emperor endowed Himself as the embodiment of infallibility, using as justificatory condition a hitherto undefined divine right. In Parliament and in the U.S. Congress, there is a well-worn epithet: “When one has the votes, one calls the roll.” As to the Scourge of God Attila the Hun, Pius XII, and the Dalai, they are humans, not gods. To entitle any of these often inhumane, unjust, egocentric characters as being somehow “holy’ is to commit an atrocious category mistake. I’m certain Bertrand Russell would agree. Slang is the intellectualism of the stupid; it is neither informative nor scientifically verifiable. Bin Laden is simply a forty-year personal enemy of the al-Saud family by reason of jealousy and greed, hardly ennobling his apolitical mission. Bin Laden is no holier than
Let’s reduce the present controversy to one of misplaced jargon. No one is “holy.” Holiness isn’t a quality of humans; it is traditionally attributed to God, the Platonic Form of The Good, or someone/something otherworldly. As I recall, the Pope is also entitled “His Holiness” by a tradition perhaps dating back to Nicaea, when the Emperor endowed Himself as the embodiment of infallibility, using as justificatory condition a hitherto undefined divine right. In Parliament and in the U.S. Congress, there is a well-worn epithet: “When one has the votes, one calls the roll.” As to the Scourge of God Attila the Hun, Pius XII, and the Dalai, they are humans, not gods. To entitle any of these often inhumane, unjust, egocentric characters as being somehow “holy’ is to commit an atrocious category mistake. I’m certain Bertrand Russell would agree. Slang is the intellectualism of the stupid -- neither informative nor scientifically verifiable. Bin Laden was only a forty-year personal enemy of the al-Saud family by reason of jealousy and greed, hardly ennobling his apolitical mission of murder. Bin Laden is no holier than Thou. Get over it!
This piece is standard economist fare in its lies and misleading language and its imperialist agenda. One gets the impression from reading it that
1. Suu Kyi is a steadfast criticizer and opponent of the Chinese government and the direction of Chinese leadership.
2. That she and her NLD government does not wish to form a relationship with China.
3. That Burma/Myanmar's current democratic liberalization goes contrary to China's relationship with it.
Nothing could be further from the truth. In this video interview, Suu Kyi explicitly rejects one reporter's claim that China's human rights situation has "regressed." She also mentioned that she would love to form diplomatic relationships with Beijing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f44Un4kfgEo
Also, thanks to wikileaks, we now know that the currently liberalization policies in Myanmar is a RESULT of Chinese pressure (and no thanks to the heavy handed western approach which only saw the country devolve into more authoritarianism).
http://www.ndtv.com/article/wikileaks-revelations/wikileaks-on-myanmar-u...
And saying that Tibet and Myanmar "neighbours" China displays about as much ignorant of geography as saying that Scotland neighbours the UK.
The Economist lies. It is a tool of racist imperialists. It is the tool of the devil.
According to the Rohingyas, the reactionary lady is ignoring their plight while giving lofty lectures to Imperialist West about freedom and human rights in Myanmar. They want to settle in Norway and Britain right away instead getting drown while trying to reach Ozzie, Loonie and Yankee lands.
The Imperialist have unashamedly stated that they want to exploit developing countries resources like in Myanmar for their economic development while trying to deny accesses to other rising powers like China, India etc.
"According to the Rohingyas"
You'll need to quote your sources. Or readers might think you are a China troll. The military dictators in Burma now worry about the dictators in China: China needs a navy base on the Indian Ocean to prevent India (and the US) from controlling that region: so they are looking for ways to make Burma the next Tibet.
Burma's generals know The Lady is their best bet of getting US support against a Chinese invasion. Realpolitik.
Oh no there are now two Burmese 1 Kyat Drones on this forum. (Maybe you are the same ones?)
By the way, you need to quote your sources or readers might think that you are a Burmese 1 Kyat Drone. Suu Kyi has actually been incredibly friendly towards China (Google it if you don't believe me), but I didn't expect a 1 Kyat Drone such as yourself to know these facts.
Here's an interesting source. An article about Xi Jinping's family. Quote: "As Xi climbed the Communist Party ranks, his extended family expanded their business interests to include minerals, real estate and mobile-phone equipment, according to public documents compiled by Bloomberg". This web site is blocked in China, of course http://bloom.bg/MDBe1w
Bloomberg is not blocked in China. Stop lying.
These reactionary forces in Asia have now entered a new phase of their development under the guise of receiving Nobel prizes for human rights.
I agree. Guagua Bo and Mingze (Mimi) Xi should go back to China and follow the footsteps of their grandfathers, the Great Chinese Revolutionaries, and help fulfill the dreams of the billions of poor peasants and workers in China. The revolutionary spirit (foundered on a sightseeing boat on Nanhu lake) of Feng Lei is still alive in the hearts of many Chinese, hukuo or dipiao, Chongqing or Shanghai.
Long Live the Marxist Revolution with Chinese Characteristics!
Down with Reactionary Colonial Capitalistic Institutions like Wall Street, Harvard, Oxford and Nobel Prizes!
Long Live Mao!
"Long live Chairman Mao"? That sounds like the Dalai Lama.
You know what Mao yelled back?
"Long live the Dalai Lama".
Those were the years; and those were comical years!
"He is the brightest Sun in the Universe." according to the Marxist monk.
[F R O Yin reply to guest- 21st, 23:12
Canada was colonized centuries ago, its native population decimated and dispossessed. Now it's too late to undo that wrong,]
Since when are wrongs too late to be undone and justice too late to restored? This is but a shameless excuse used by the whites for perpetuating their oppression of the native peoples and their occupation of the continents that do not belong to them.
JFK once said, "We want to do it not because it is easy but because it is hard." Now, let the whites perform this hard task of undoing the wrongs they had done to the natives of the Americas, Australia and other places to show the world that they mean what they say.
[ and generations of descendants of those colonialists now see Canada as their only home, where they are the overwhelming majority.]
All thieves see others' properties as their own. That the overwhelming majority of the occupying whites see so merely proves their despicable intent on grabbing the continents that rightfully belong to other peoples.
[Tibet, however, is still at the early stages of this process. ]
Tibet was integrated into China by the Principle of Reciprocity-- Unlike the occupations of the non-European lands, which are land-grabs-by-the-continents.
[Tibetans are still the majority in their homeland . Most Han Chinese living there were not born in Tibet, and mostly stay only temporarily.]
You are merely admitting that the whites are liars who accuse the Han Chinese are committing "racial genocides" and "cultural genocides" in Tibet. The true racial and cultural genocides were committed in the Americas, Australia, etc. As always, the whites blame China for the crimes on humanity committed by themselves.
[ We also live in a time when this kind of Human Right abuses are no longer cosidered acceptable (even if they stil occur all the same).]
THAT was the 20th Century. The world has since progressed. This is now the 21st Century, which is the century when land-grabs-by-the-continents must be corrected and the right of the native peoples to their lands restored. The rise of China will make that happen. The Canadian natives are finally seeing that light: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/07/bc-china...
[ Tibet's colonization can still be halted, and its culture saved from assimilation. No such hope for Canada, the US, or Australia, I'm afraid.]
"The hope for Canada, the US, or Australia" etc lie not with the whites, who see the world as one giant Animal Farm, in which "All animals are equal, but the white animals are more equal than other animals". The rise of China will cleanse the world of this plague which George Orwell so eloquently ridiculed.
Devil's
Many boatfuls of refugees from the sub-continent like AfgPaks, Sri Lanka, Myanmar etc. were lost in the seas making their way to Oz, Canada, US. They were denied entry on the assumption of skin color and that they would have difficulties to assimilate.
@ Devil
I can't agreed more. Sum up everything ! You always inspire me.
Devil wrote to FROY:
"Since when are wrongs too late to be undone and justice too late to restored? This is but a shameless excuse used by the whites for perpetuating their oppression of the native peoples and their occupation of the continents that do not belong to them.
JFK once said, "We want to do it not because it is easy but because it is hard." Now, let the whites perform this hard task of undoing the wrongs they had done to the natives of the Americas, Australia and other places to show the world that they mean what they say.
All thieves see others' properties as their own. That the overwhelming majority of the occupying whites see so merely proves their despicable intent on grabbing the continents that rightfully belong to other peoples.
Tibet was integrated into China by the Principle of Reciprocity-- Unlike the occupations of the non-European lands, which are land-grabs-by-the-continents.
You are merely admitting that the whites are liars who accuse the Han Chinese are committing "racial genocides" and "cultural genocides" in Tibet. The true racial and cultural genocides were committed in the Americas, Australia, etc. As always, the whites blame China for the crimes on humanity committed by themselves.
THAT was the 20th Century. The world has since progressed. This is now the 21st Century, which is the century when land-grabs-by-the-continents must be corrected and the right of the native peoples to their lands restored. The rise of China will make that happen. The Canadian natives are finally seeing that light: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/02/07/bc-china...
"The hope for Canada, the US, or Australia" etc lie not with the whites, who see the world as one giant Animal Farm, in which "All animals are equal, but the white animals are more equal than other animals". The rise of China will cleanse the world of this plague which George Orwell so eloquently ridiculed."
History will judged the whites the greatest genociders and murderers in the history of mankind. What they have done to the original inhabitants of America and Australia is un parallelled. The slaves trade which decimated tens of millions of Africans is also unparallelled in its scale and atrocity. And more recently there were the invasions of Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Millions of people were murdered. They also bombed Libya and killed 40,000 Libyans. And they have the guts to name other countries and people as murderers and genociders and abusers of human rights!
You propagate and are inspired by lies. Good for you.
I get it now, Jean Michel. Whites are evil and non-whites are virtuous victims. Thanks for making it so simple and clear-cut.
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I just state the facts.
The most unacceptable part this that they waste no opportunity to blame the Chinese for the crime they have committed.
For a good laugh, I came here to read the comments from the PRCC loyalists and have not been disappointed.
I laughed even more at the ignorance and stupidity of the supporters of the western regimes. They have been so brain-washed by their media that they no longer have any brain at all.
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The best part is they already have a US passport, a green card, or a pending visa application at a Western embassy in Beijing.
Who said anything about being a supporter of western regimes?
But a Exil-Tibetan-regime!! LOL
Correct. The only legitimate Tibetan government is currently in exile and based in Dharamsala, Himachal Pradesh, India.
Sure, your holy Lama will honor you with 100 Slaves for your loyalty!!
No one else said anything about being a supporter of western regimes. I said it. If you feel that I am aiming at you because you are one of the brainless western supporter, so be it.
You wrote: "The only legitimate Tibetan government is currently in exile and based in Dharamsala, Himachal Pradesh, India."
Do you think you have authority to declare which is the legitimate Government of a country? Don't you think this is much above your power?
It would make more sense if you said that the only legitimate Government of Dharamsal was the one led by the Dalai lama and his clique since they are based there.
So the Dalai Lama (and by association Suu Kyi) is hated by the Chinese because he is a "stooge" of the West, more precisely paid by the CIA in Luciferian US Masonic dollars? and Romney adores the great Pyramid? Oh my Happy Fish!
I thought the US and China are two great friends (G2), no? A lot of Chinese are immigrating to the US and there are sooo many Chinese professors and students at these "corrupt" (worse than the CIA lol) US universities such as Harvard, Stanford and MIT (at Oxford and Cambridge too, not to mention German Universities!). Chinese do "love" the West (except maybe for the CIA and Richard Gere?). C'mon the CIA is doing their job just like the Chinese WMD's (not weapons of mass destruction) and the CPC.
By the way, how's Guagua Bo and Mingze (a.k.a. Mimi) Xi doing at Harvard? Studying hard? I'm sure the CIA is keeping an eye on them!
Not every one studying in the West can be easily brain-washed like the lady laureate. Rather than making sweeping statement like urging the 2 communities to live in harmony & peace to please the Western audience, many of her fella Rohingya would rather jar the Western ears for her to ask for their just human rights to live in the West
[tocharianJune 27th, 15:25
Chinese do "love" the West (except maybe for the CIA and Richard Gere?). C'mon the CIA is doing their job just like the Chinese WMD's (not weapons of mass destruction) and the CPC.]
The Chinese Y-chromosome is just do its job on the Burmese women just like the British Y-chromosome on Suu Kyi. Why are you against only the former but not the latter? ;-D, ;-D, ;-D...
Devil's
These 2 dudes are treated with all honors in the West ONLY because they are political pawns. Dalai Lama is the absolute empty suit but convenient to pick at China. That's been a dumb child's game from our also dumb politicians for decades but China don't care.
The lady is also another pawn, used to sting Burma anytime.
And Nobel Peace Prize ? that's a joke, remember Arafat , the terrorist in chief got one, so did Obama for doing nothing ,. Nobel Peace Prizes are cheap stuff
We know that right now, the Hegemon and the Wahhabi acolytes are now transfering vast amount of money and weapons to Al Queda franchises. Wonder when the lady terrorist Rubiyar who had transferred funds from her vast estate to Al Queda will receive the Nobel Peace prize like Aung Sun. She was both recently warmly received by the Dalai and the Japanese Noda.
The Lady should have been mindful of the fact that the Dalai Lama is nothing but a pawn of the CIA. She should have refused the Nobel Peace Prize which have been tainted by awards to the likes of the Dalai Lama, Liu Xiaobo and of course, President Obama.
Knowing that the Peace Prize was awarded to Dalia Lama for violence, Alfred Nobel must turn in his grave.
Here is a report from Berlin:
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Dalai Lama connected with CIA's support of Tibetan secession:
BERLIN,
Despite his frequent claims of peace, the Dalai Lama knew much more about the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)'s support of Tibetan secessionists in the 1950s and 1960s than he admitted, Germany's Sueddeutsche Zeitung newspaper reported recently.
A report titled "Seemingly Sacred," which shed light on the relationship between the Dalai Lama and the CIA, said a shadow of violence falls on the divine king.
The report said an emissary of the Dalai Lama first contacted the U.S. through its embassy in New Delhi and consulate in Calcutta in 1951, and both sides discussed U.S. military and financial aid to Tibetan separatists. One of the Dalai Lama's elder brothers also attended the meetings.
In the same year the U.S. Defense Department gave the Dalai Lama a letter, in which "light weapons" and "financial aid" were promised to the Tibetan separatist movement, it said.
The Dalai Lama also received 180,000 U.S. dollars a year from the CIA, which was described as "monetary aid for the Dalai Lama" in confidential documents.
The report said the CIA launched "St. Circus Operation" in 1956, which trained Tibetan guerrillas on a South-Pacific island to kill, shoot, lay mines and make bombs.
The CIA also made air drops that provided the guerrillas with machine weapons, ammunition, medicine, and propaganda materials, among others, it said.
According to the newspaper, "The Dalai Lama clearly stood closer to the CIA and knew significantly more than he let on."
Though the Dalai Lama had always claimed that he only came to know the operations afterwards, it should be no later than 1958 when he was aware of the paramilitary training given by the CIA that was closely linked to poison, killing and other violent acts, it said.
The report said a U.S. movie director, Lisa Cathey, had conducted more than 30 interviews in her shooting of a documentary, CIA in Tibet.
One of those interviewed was a retired CIA agent named John Kenneth Knaus, who was in charge of CIA operations in Tibet and had preserved documents that recorded the training.
The Dalai Lama had met with Knaus twice, once in 1964 and again in the 1990s.
The Dalai Lama apparently hasn't been honest on whether he knew the CIA's support to the Tibetan separation, the paper said. Now that with more truth on the Dalai Lama's relationship with the CIA revealed, a shadow of violence falls on the divine king, it added.
The report called the Dalai Lama "a chess piece of the CIA during the Cold War" and his direct CIA connection does not match his "supreme moral authority."
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This is a direct quote from China Daily...not the Berlin newspaper. In fact, the only references to this story that I've been able to find have been from China Daily and other subsidiary papers of the Chinese government. That's not a particularly unbiased source with regard to this topic.
Do we have a member of the 50 Cent Party on our hands?
The original article was pubished in Berlin. PLC123 has given the link.
In terms of the US Freedom of Information Act, some secret Government documents had to be published fifty years after the event. The CIA papers relating to the involvement of the CIA with the Dalai Lama and Tibet were published in 1999. If you do a Googles Search you will be able to read some information on the topic.
Can you please type my user name correctly?
And the links from Berlin was not from me. My link was another one. It is a blogger woman, who is a daughter of a CIA agent who direct involved in the Tibetan vs China affair.
German ARD Panorama (TV reportage) and SüddeutscheZeitung also published this dark-side of Dalai Lama.
Also: Behind Dalai Lama's holy cloak
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/behind-dalai-lamas-holy-cloak/200...
Suu Kyi seems to be doing a lot of things recently, from visiting Dalai Lama to delivering her Nobel acceptance speech.
Yet she did nothing to help the poor Burmese refugees from the recent conflicts.
And China is being blamed by Human Right Watch for not aiding the Burmese refugees.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18589937
Can someone explain the logic to me? Is it she or China has a responsibility to help the Burmese refugees?
While the poor Burmese refugees are suffering, Suu Kyi is enjoying her vacation in Europe.
At the same time China, the human right abuser, is providing humanitarian relief to the Burmese refugees.
And as usual, Suu Kyi get applauded as a freedom fighter and China get blamed as violating basic human right.
If you don't agree with me, just imagine your country is suffering from a large scale humanitarian crisis, your leader is having a trip in Europe and you continue to blame your neighbour country for providing humanitarian relief.
While the poor Burmese refugees are suffering, Suu Kyi is enjoying her vacation in Europe.
At the same time China, the human right abuser, is providing humanitarian relief to the Burmese refugees.
And as usual, Suu Kyi get applauded as a freedom fighter and China get blamed as violating basic human right.
If you don't agree with me, just imagine your country is suffering from a large scale humanitarian crisis, your leader is having a trip in Europe and you continue to blame your neighbour country for providing humanitarian relief.
When your country is facing a humanitarian crisis, your leader did nothing to help you, and is on a trip to Europe to visit someone who is considered to be unwelcome by the neighboring country currently providing humanitarian relief to your refugees.
How ungracious。
i really appreciate your deep and totally correct insight. your suspicion of the strange but obvious phenomena just brings out one truth: some of the writers enjoy to express their prejudice and arrogance to some countries, no matter what the real fact is.
Most likely Ms Suu Kyi is not "enjoying her vacation".
Her trip is a goodwill tour. She is deliberately sent out by the Myanmar government to create a "softer" image for Myanmar to attract foreign investment after the economic sanction is lifted.
Of course, Ms Suu Kyi knows the purpose too.
I think she is happy to go out to present herself and Myanmar to the world and welcome foreign investment.
Is that not her job and wishes too? Why it has to be so many conspiracy about her trip!
A quiet meeting between the Dalai Lama and Aung San Suu Kyi has generated an unworthy post and also unworthy responses.
Beijing has not indicated any pleasure over the meeting. So far it is only the guess of the TE reporters that the meeting would displease Beijing.
I can understand why many fellow posters disliked Dalai Lama. But I wonder how come they also hold unfriendly attitude towards Ms. Suu Kyi.
Ms. Suu Kyi is heavily favored in the West -- but that does not mean what the people in West like must be disliked by the people in
China. If that is the case, many Chinese have to dump their LV, Gucci, iphone,....into the Yellow River and Yangtze.
Other than economic interest, why should China or Chinese like the junta regime in Myanmar?
The junta regime is a military Fascist regime. Its nature is no different from Mussolini's Italy, Hilter's Germany or Franco's Spain. However, their utmost stupid "socialist" economic policy devastated Burma from one of the most developed post-colonial country after WWII to one of the poorest in Southeast Asia.
But for Ms Suu Kyi, I think most Chinese should like her. Why? Just look at her credentials.
(1) Her father -- Aung San -- was an anti-British independence hero:
Since most Chinese posters hate British colonist to the gut, they should admire Ms. Suu Kyi's father since he strived to free Burma from the British colonists.
(2) Aung San was the founder of Burma's army:
Since most Chinese priase the role of August 1st in the founding of Red Army, they should also like Burma's Zhu Teh.
(3) Aung San was assassinated by "reactionary":
So that makes Ms Suu Kyi daughter of the Martyr. In China, children of the Martyr like Li Peng had easy access to high position.
In fact IMO Ms Suu Kyi is much more patriotic than those fat ugly filthy Myanmar generals. Ms Suu Kyi rather stayed in Myanmar with her people at the moment her husband passed away in England. On the other hand, those generals regularly did medical checkup in Singapore.
Thanks for the post of reasons.
I personally have high respect for Ms Suu Kyi. If nothing else he dedication to her cause was most admirable unlike the big Lama.
I have nothing against Aung San Suu Kyi. The fact is that the western media is using her to promote the criminal activities of the Dalai Lama. Aung San Suu Kyi feels it and resents her association with the Dalai Lama which the western media is trying to force on her.
I do not think that the posters have written anything bad on her. Most of the posts were focused on the terrorist and criminal activities of the Dalai Lama, his associating with the CIA and the funding of his activities by western countries.
There is, however, a poster who simply knows how to chant "Your holiness". He therefore fills his post with his chant from beginning to end, but who cares. We all know he is a fool.
Another poster thinks that he is so great that he has power to decide who have the rights to vote and who do not in a matter that concerns China. He is a lunatic.
There is also a third poster who does not know the geography of China, who does not know that the Tibet region is an integral part of China. She is merely a baby who constantly cry for her bottle of milk and for her diapers to be changed.
As a smelly Dalit Fascist make believe Indian Singaporean I am deeply offended by your language. Well at least they don't get Singaporean citizens like most of your compatriots. Hypocrite !!!
You have to give credit to the Generals. They are moving alot faster than many people expected them to move. Some Westerners are saying they are moving too fast in economic reform. In 5 years their economy will be more liberal than China, with a free exchange rate.
As you have already found out, the poster who chants "Your holiness" from beginning to end is John the Good. Some posters have renamed hin, John feels good, because such is his state when he is chanting.
The lunatic who thinks he is the one who decides who can vote and who cannot is "minority". He has chosen his pen name aptly since lunatics represent only a small minority of mankind.
As for the baby, she calls herself FROY.
ewakorn's language really did change when it came to the generals... ;)
What I don't get is how the Burmese generals went from Saul to Paul so quickly...
Transformations happen. But with generals?
The activities of His Holiness the Dalai Lama are only considered 'crimes' in China. Everywhere else, His Holiness is considered a peace-maker and an exceptional human being. But, everyone knows that China's laws are illegitimate in their intent and application when compared to international standards.
People don't give the generals enough credit. The generals are moving a lot faster than many people expect them to move. In 5 years time, Burma would most likely be more free than Thailand and China in politics and economics. Myanmar is moving very fast. Civil servants have to learn what took the Chinese 10 years in the 1980s, they are doing in one year !!
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/06/26/myanmar-idINDEE85P02O20120626
But than as one poster said, it could be all derailed by Burmese racists. You should move to Burma, China is no fun.
Are you starting your chant again? No one wishes to listen to it. Anyway, though you might not know it because you shut yourself from the real world, the activities of Bin Laden also are not considered criminal by all countries.
Her father fought against British with the support from the Japanese, more specifically, with the support of Fumimaro Konoe government. They only switched to the Allies' side from 1945 onwards. The Chinese had fought in Burma against the Japanese.
Basically her father and the Chinese were at the opposite side during WWII, her father at the Axis powers' side and the Chinese at the Allies' side. What makes you think that the Chinese would like her father?
"You should move to Burma, China is no fun."
Tempting...
I wouldn't say, though, that China is no fun. ;)
And all this moving takes its toll, too. I'll save Burma for next time. But then, who knows, I have no idea where I'll be in 5 years...
[John the reply to Jean hours 3 mins ago
The activities of His Holiness the Dalai Lama are only considered 'crimes' in China. Everywhere else, His Holiness is considered a peace-maker and an exceptional human being. But, everyone knows that China's laws are illegitimate in their intent and application when compared to international standards.]
Uncleland and other white-occupied lands are considered legitimate only by the whites and their lackeys. Elsewhere, it is considered illegal, illegitimate and immoral:
{24 June 1995
The Editor
South China Morning Post
GPO Box 47
Hong Kong
Sir,
I applaud your editorial of 22 June, in which you exposed the insidious manner in which the Japanese parliament and government had glossed over the crimes and genocides the Japanese Imperial Army had committed against the peoples of East Asia.
Your effort is to be commended and I hope you will extend it and apply it in an impartial and unbiased manner.
The crimes of Japan during World War II is but one of the crimes against humanity in recent history and it is not even the most serious.
Far more sinister are those committed by the whites against the non-whites, with the racial genocides carried out in America and Australia being the most systematic and thorough.
These are the most hideous crimes against humanity- surpassing, in scale and thoroughness, even Hitler's organized pogrom of the Jews and the Slavs. But while the whites react with anger and indignation to the massacres of their own kind, they continue to glorify and celebrate their genocidal achievements when their victims are non-Europeans.
We all should now wake up to the fact that the regimes thus established are illegal, immoral and illegitimate. For the sake of justice and legality, these criminal regimes must be abolished. Only then can a just "New World Order" prevail.
The South China Morning Post, having so bravely exposed the lies and deceit of the Japanese, should now take up this new task with added courage and vigour, and thus set a moral journalistic standard for the rest of the "Free Press" to follow.
Sincerely
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Devil's
As a smelly Dalit Fascist make believe Indian Singaporean
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I can agreed with only this statement and no more !!
Now you sound jealous about Burma's economic reform which will be much efficient and quicker than you Indian can imagine!
@ ewakorn
I don't see many of the Chinese posters dislike Suu Kyi? Where? Really not! You are too sensitive!
BTW What did Suu Kyi did so far for peace and her country? Not yet! We will certainly hope she will be successful, but must see what will come out.
Quick reform is not neccessary a good idea for any country, it may cause Schleudertrauma (spin-traumatic).
Like what you suggest, China should stop ONE-Child-policy immediately. Many social problem, like school, hospital etc will need to be built. Of course that you will not know since you are just a smelly Dalit and it is just China's problem not your.
But we know you are still not yet in CHina, family gathering with your lovely wife. What are you doing in the states alone, looking after your teenage daughter?!
Sukarno of Indonesia also allied with Japan to get rid of the Dutch colonists. But PRC maintained a very intimate relationship with Indonesia. In 1955 Premier Zhou Enlai flew to Indonesia to make the famous speech about non-aligned countries movement in the Bandung Conference.
Sino-Indonesia relationship did not sour until the CCP-instigated coup in 1965.
Chinese liked Sukarno -- I don't see why they didn't like Aung San with the same calibre.
How could Ms. Suu Kyi do anything for her country when she had been under house arrest for two decades?
Look at the picture. She barely weighs 80 lbs. Dalai Lama is 10 years older than she -- but Dalai Lama looks even younger than she is.
Ms. Suu Kyi has gone through the greatest sorrow of any human being in facing the Sophia's choice -- comforting her dying husband or choosing to stay with her people.
But she chose the latter and endured all those hard days with her people altogether. That is her greatest contribution to her country.
That was exactly what I meant, she hadn't done anything yet and she got a Nobel Prize because the army jailed her. It was ironic enough!!
She is minimum 90 lbs. for sure and she doesn't look so old as you descripted, but she is weak. Because she has to travel so long and met so many people and occassion. It is really stress even for a young person.
We must just have to wait and see how much she can achieve back in politic. "her greatest contribution to her country" is too early to say.
Do you have another name name,like Chess writer 888 or Bill888.
Cuz I remember the accent in your words.
"But than as one poster said, it could be all derailed by Burmese racists."
The west should give Myanmar speady helping hands. Aid from the west is critical to kick start the reform in the initial stage.
I have not seen Bill88888888 already long time in the forum.
The assessment of a politician does not depend on "How much one can achieve in politics" as you said.
The most outstanding example in Chinese politics are Confucius and Sun Yat Sen.
At the time that they died, they were almost at their lowest point in their political careers.
But their influences outlasted many of their peers who were more successful in politics.
Its actually quicker than your beloved China, you 10 year old German Chinese drug baron who runs his drug empire from his tree house.
Actually if China stopped the one child policy the birth rate won't go up a lot in the beginning. it won't despite what your drug riddle brain thinks. Vietnam's fertility rate is 1.84, China is 1.6. Do you expect China's to go above Vietnam's. Very unlikely, silly one. They will have / punish people to have more babies very soon. Well as a German Chinese 10 year old pron addicted criminal, what happens in China is not really your concern, unless of course you see as a future market.
Dalai Lama is not a monk, but a hypocritical politician
shit
That is the problem of the modern day's polity.
The one who do the dirty job will be out-voted from power but someone has a wish/vision will be honoured.
Who dare to increase tax and reduce social welfare, will be kicked out from his job! See Gerhardt Schröder as an example!
From your point of view, Obama certainly deserved his Nobel Peace Prize! He talked good but delivered little to nothing.
Bismarck
I was always misunderstood by you. I am doing all the dirty job for you and you are not appreciated. What can I do. Should I stop your supply of Bismarck-drug so I can dry your Alzheimer Brain quicker and you die peacefully for the sake of the world peace!!
Actually if China stopped the one child policy the birth rate won't go up a lot in the beginning. it won't despite what your drug riddle brain thinks. Vietnam's fertility rate is 1.84, China is 1.6. Do you expect China's to go above Vietnam's. Very unlikely, silly one. They will have / punish people to have more babies very soon. Well as a German Chinese 10 year old pron addicted criminal, what happens in China is not really your concern, unless of course you see as a future market.
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You see. You are in the late term Alzheimer and talking non-sense. I beg you don't even understand what you are answering, right. Check my comment before commenting. OK! God can't help you, Amen !
Actually you don't even understand what you are posting, since you brain is so messed up from all the drugs you do.
I made Bismarck-meat-drug for you only, I don't take any drug. I use gloves!! LOL
He'll be around, of course with some other name.
I don't think so, but that is up to you to be believed.
He once changed his name to Chess Writer 888 because some Indians used his name Bill8888888 (careful only 7 letter of 8) that is why he used Chess Writer 888. But he gave up this name longer time.
What ever it is, it is really nice to discus with him.
He never gives up.
What the lady and the lama have in common is the so-called Nobel peace prize, which itself is pretty much a vehicle to advance western political agenda du jour. The biggest irony is that the father of all advocates of non-violent civil disobedience, Mr Gandhi, was never awarded this prize. I wonder why? Was it because he was against a western power?
Yeah he was against the falling-power-Britain!!
Nobel Prizes are just opinions of the Nobel Prize Committee. These opinions carry a lot of weight because they are more likely to be valid than not. However these opinions are still opinions. You are free to agree or disagree.
To me the prize to the Dalai Lama is dubious. Here is an excerpt from the Committee's citation when the Dalai Lama was awarded the prize:
"...In the opinion of the Committee the Dalai Lama has come forward with constructive and forward-looking proposals for the solution of international conflicts, human rights issues, and global environmental problems...."
You can get that prize just for some "proposals"?
How about actions? How about actions to persecute Shugden believers by the big Lama?
See Obama's Nobel Prize !!
Same thing! And Arafat too!
Obama's Nobel Prize is also undeserving IMHO.
But you do not see Obama flaunting his Prize anywhere he goes; unlike the Lama propagandists.
How can one expect from those retired Swedish politicians not to abuse their power on non-political subject like Nobel Prize!
Have you look at the link Kefi Blog ? This woman (Blogger) was complaining our German reportage used her material to bad-name Dalai Lama! She is crazy, the fact is there and the reportage was simply used some material to prove DL was CIA supported and He knew exactly what CIA's purpose in Tibet was---to kill people not for peace. He even received this CIA man in Tibet, the meeting was formal and correct! (As the CIA man said in the interview)
When Panorama (reportage) asked him last time when DL was in Germany, he said there were Tibetan involved with CIA and killing Chinese soldiers in Tibet. But how come he received the CIA man then ! Lier !
Well the CIA support for the Dalai Lama government was documented in declassified US State Department documents that are easily available with Google.
Remember the Dalai Lama was the supreme leader of the Tibet Government in Exile. Nothing this big can be carried out without his explicit authorization and full knowledge. It is just like Deng was the one who ordered the tanks into Beijing in 1989 even though you have the Chinese government evading the question at the time.
The Dalai Lama has more dark sides.
Gandhi might be for non-violence, but the guy is actually a pretty despicable person. Here is what he said of the Africans when he was in South Africa:
"Many of the native prisoners are only one degree removed from the animal and often created rows and fought among themselves."
He was quoted at a meeting in Bombay in 1896 saying that Europeans sought to degrade Indians to the level of the "raw kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/oct/17/southafrica.india?INTCMP=SRCH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afkdi5Q1xRY&feature=player_embedded#!
but Obama did get one. when he started the lie to decrease nuclear weapons, the committee exulted over because ........
You meant Obama learnt from the Indian---talking is cheap!!
To TE editors, please just focus on EU crisis and not babbling on your self-interest analysis
Deutschland wird Europameister!
Sonst noch was?
Germany lost to Italy in the semi-finals. Angela Merkel is now very very upset!
The endless western hupla and hypocracy with their media created STARS.
Why does not The Economist:
1. present the facts regarding the living conditions and life of the 99.99% Tibetans when Dalai Lama ruled Tibet, compared to their current living conditions.
2. While, as soon as she is released, Aung San Suu Kyi's all attention appears to be focused on Europe and Noble Peace Prize ceremony and joint session of British Parliament, while sectarian rioting goes on in Myanmar with thousands of refugees flooding into Bangladesh. Myanmar and its plights are conspicuously absent from her talks as well as from the focus of the western media.
Only thing the western media appear to be interested in fomenting anti China propaganda, rather than well being of the people of Tibet and Myanmar, which they pretend to promote their STARS (or STOOGES).
I will not be surprised if the timing of Dailai Lama's visit is orchestrated to coincide with Su Ky's - to crate the anti China propaganda opportunity.
WHAT KIND OF FOOLS the economist thinks the people are? They hope on hope people will not see through their Goebbelian propaganda.
A couple of months ago, the endless western hupla created another star called Chen. He was practically blind and in their scenario, they made him climb two high walls. Apparently, for drama purposes, they made the walls twenty metres high. Then, they broke his foot. Initially, the broken foot was the left one but then they changed it to the right foot. Then they made him stay in the US embassy for six days before they show him to the naive western public with his dark glasses, his crutches. Then thehy give him a warm welcome when he landed in the US with dozens of cameras and tv crews. He was stll wearing his glass glasses et he was not allowed to leave his crutches since these and his broken foot have become the symbol of his stardom. The naive western public would never accept him without these symbols. This is another exemple of their hypocrazy and another media-created star.
Everyone knows there are thousands of riots in China each year. These are always against the corrupt police and government officials for stealing the people's property and for jailing people who speak against the corruption of Chinese officials.
The Chinese perpetrate one of the biggest myths of the 21st Century: that China has a stable and harmonious society.
List of civil disturbances in the People's Republic of China (2011)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 2011 Chinese protests were a series of civil disturbances that took place in the People's Republic of China. The first significant protest movement was inspired by the Jasmine Revolution in the Middle East. Later in the year, protests across the country had begun to occur with greater and greater frequency.[1] Notable protests include:
The 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests – weekly demonstrations called by overseas dissidents to begin on 20 February.
The 2011 Yunnan protest occurred from 25 to 29 March 2011 in Suijiang County, Yunnan
The 2011 Shanghai riot (2011 上海城管打人事件) occurred on 13 April 2011 in Jiuting (九亭) in the Songjiang District Shanghai.[2]
The 2011 Xilinhot incident occurred at the night of 10 May 2011 in Xilinhot, China when a local herdsman was killed by a coal truck driver. The incident resulted in numerous protests.[2] After the incident, the government provided compensation to the family, upgraded environmental rules, and dismissed the local Communist Party chief. The truck driver was tried, found guilty of murder, and sentenced to the death penalty on 8 June.
On 15 May in Abag Banner, Inner Mongolia another Han Chinese coal miner named Sun Shuning (孙树宁) drove a forklift and hit Yan Wenlong (闫文龙), a 22 year old Manchu.[3][4] Yan led a group of 20 people to dispute noise, dust and pollution. When they began smashing properties, a clash ensued.[5] In the clash Yan died, and 7 people were injured.[3]
The 2011 Chaozhou riot (潮州6·6事件) began on the night of Duanwu Festival 6 June 2011 in Guxiang (古巷镇) Chao'an County, Chaozhou, Guangdong, People's Republic of China.[6][7]
The 2011 Zengcheng riot (增城6·11事件)
Protests over multiple oil spills and the breach of dyke protecting the Fujian Petrochemical Plant after Typhoon Muifa struck caused 12,000 protesters to gather in People's Square in Dalian to protest their environmental concerns and potential health hazards caused by the disasters.[8]
The Protests of Wukan – rioting occurred in Wukan Village in September over allegations that corrupt Communist Party officials had seized cooperative land and sold it to real estate developers without consultation nor proper compensation.[9]
In December 2011, thousands of residents in the southeastern city of Haimen staged sustained protests asking local government authorities to cancel plans for a new coal-fired power plant. Security forced responded by detaining and firing tear gas at protesters.[10]
There are "Occupy Movement" protests almost everyday in practically all the major cities in the western countries since 2010.
For people who is interested in Tibet and CIA, here is a very good video Blog from Lisa Cathey, daughter of a CIA man who helped training the Tibetan to fight against China.
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And various of video on YouTube: CIA in Tibet
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Kefiblog is a video journal of the current Kefiworks project: "CIA in Tibet". With over 100 hours of interviews, events and archival material collected since March 2008, Kefiblog will showcase the people and stories as the documentary feature progresses.
Thanks for stopping in!
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Lisa Cathey
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http://www.kefiworkblog.com/
Everyone already knows this and no one cares. More important is the fact that during this same period, Mao and the Chinese communists killed 30-40 million Chinese. This was during The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.
"No one is sure exactly how many people perished as a result of the spreading hunger. By comparing the number of deaths that could be expected under normal conditions with the number that occurred during the period of the Great Leap famine, scholars have estimated that somewhere between 16.5 million and 40 million people died before the experiment came to an end in 1961, making the Great Leap famine the largest in world history" William Harms, Univ. of Chicago, 1996.
"According to the Mao's Last Revolution by Roderick MacFarquhar and Michael Schoenhals, almost 1,800 people were killed in Beijing alone in August and September of 1966."
"The Chinese Cultural Revolution (1966-1976) was a historical tragedy launched by Mao Zedong and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). It claimed the lives of several million people and inflicted cruel and inhuman treatments on hundreds of million people. " Song Yongyi, 2011
But the Tibetan slavery tragedy last centuries long !! What do you say !
It is disappointing to note that the Economist in this article only talks about the Chinese displeasure of the private meeting of the 2 Nobel-peace-prize laureates and dwell nothing on the nature of the displeasure and whether it is well grounded or not. Perhaps the Economist fears also to call on itself the Chinese displeasure.
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Agree with you 100%
The truth is that the Chinese Govt had made no comment on this meeting
It is the TE who is making up fantasy-story that China is not pleased
Since when has the TE become the official mouth-piece of the Chinese Govt???
The Truth is that the TE blow up this meeting to high-light it when in reality Aung San Suu Kyi had made it clear from the beginning that this is a private meeting with no political agenda
The anti-China forces had cleverly spin this story to create issues when there were none
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Yeah everybody in the world seems to be scared of "annoying" the arrogant Chinese (I actually blame the US for China's "rise").
Isn't standing up to a bully the only way to fight a bully?
Anyway, I don't really understand why the Chinese posters are so vehemently against the Dalai Lama (and now by association against Suu Kyi and the Brits?)
Oh please The Economist is one newspaper that levies the most "criticism" (borderline negative bias) of China.
Even Fox News criticizes less.
By the way, who is this "everyone" that you refer to?
It seems like that you like to project your own feelings and speak for "all non-Chinese people" very often and like to project yourself (a paid propaganda artist) onto the Chinese posters.
Standard tactic for Burmese 1-Kyat-Drones I guess!
You can save your energy. Suu Kyi is much clever than you racist Burmese!
Dalai Lama and Co. is without Suu Kyi !!
Not sure if I am counted into "the Chinese posters". I want to make clarification as follows:
1. I have high regard for the British people and Suu Kyi.
2. I have low regard for this "His Holiness".
The Dalai Lama is a terrorist like Bin Laden and he is leads a band of separatists like the IRA and the Basques.
Suu Kyi was very annoyed when she was forced to meet the Dalai Lama.
You might call this meeting, "The meeting of the demon and the demos".
NO, Dalai Lama is a western regimes supported terrorists!!
And it is true!
I am disappointed by Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi.
"Even Burma's venerated democracy advocate Aung Sun Suu Kyi appears reluctant to help.
"We are not certain exactly what the requirements of the citizenship laws are," she said this week. Asked whether Rohingyas should be regarded as Burmese citizens, she said: "I do not know.""
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/flee-as-ethnic-clashes-threat...
She's unwilling to take a moral stance to accept the Rohingyas as a citizen of Burma, and unwilling to take a stance to denounce the violence against the Rohingyas.
Shame. shame.
Behind Dalai Lama's holy cloak
"..The government set up in exile in India and, at least until the 1970s, received $US1.7 million a year from the CIA.
The money was to pay for guerilla operations against the Chinese, notwithstanding the Dalai Lama's public stance in support of non-violence, for which he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989.
The Dalai Lama himself was on the CIA's payroll from the late 1950s until 1974, reportedly receiving $US15,000 a month ($US180,000 a year).
The funds were paid to him personally, but he used all or most of them for Tibetan government-in-exile activities, principally to fund offices in New York and Geneva, and to lobby internationally..."
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/behind-dalai-lamas-holy-cloak/200...