THIS week in the paper I'm writing about the commutation of Marcus Robinson's sentence from death to life without the possibility of parole. In 1991, Mr Robinson and an accomplice abducted Erik Tornblom, a 17-year-old high-school student who had stopped at a convenience store on his way home from work. At gunpoint, they forced him to drive to an open field. On the way he was begging for his life. They forced Tornblom to lie down in the field, where they shot him in the face with a sawed-off shotgun and took the money from his wallet: a grand total of $27. Mr Robinson was convicted and sentenced to die three years later.
I include the gory details of Mr Robinson's crime to make sure that readers understand that I am not writing this out of any sympathy for Mr Robinson. His crime was cruel, horrific and premeditated. He belongs in jail. But the commutation of Mr Robinson's sentence had nothing to do with his grisly crime, and everything to do with a long and shameful legacy of racial bias among prosecutors in North Carolina.
In 2009, that state became the second to pass a Racial Justice Act, which allows inmates to appeal their death sentences on racial-bias grounds, and holds that evidence of racial bias in capital sentencing is grounds for commuting that sentence. Proving racial bias under the Racial Justice Act requires proving one of three things: that in the jurisdiction in which the inmate was sentenced at the time of his sentencing, the death penalty was sought more often for members of one race than another; that it was sought more often as punishment for killing people of one race than another; or that race was "a significant factor" in jury selection—specifically, in how prosecutors exercised their peremptory challenges. (Peremptory challenges allow lawyers to strike prospective jury members without reason; the Supreme Court—the Rehnquist Court, no less—ruled in Batson v Kentucky in 1986 that while such challenges by law did not have to be explained, it violates the sixth and 14th amendments to use them in a racially discriminatory manner.) Unlike Kentucky, which passed its Racial Justice Act in 1998, inmates can use statistical evidence on their behalf; they do not need to prove active, intentional discrimination.
Shortly after North Carolina's Racial Justice Act became law, two professors at Michigan State's law school undertook a statistical study of jury selection and composition in North Carolina between 1990 and 2010 for trials of all defendants on death row. The study found that prosecutors at all levels struck 52.6% of black potential jurors, and 25.8% of all other potential jurors. The chance that this disparity resulted from race-neutral strikes is less than one in ten trillion. In cases involving black defendants, the average strike rate rose to 60% for black potential jurors and 23.1% for everyone else. The study observed similar disparities in the county, prosecutorial district and judicial division in which Mr Robinson was sentenced, as well as in his own trial. These disparities held firm even when controlled for other potentially mitigating factors. Against this evidence, as far as I can tell from Mr Weeks's ruling, the state offered little but quibbles, and on this evidence Mr Weeks found in Mr Robinson's favour. These are topline numbers; the study goes into far more detail.
But Mr Weeks's ruling went even further than just the numbers, much further. (Although it is 168 pages long, Mr Weeks writes extremely well, and not just for a lawyer. I read the ruling cover to cover in one sitting, like a thriller.) He explains why jury service is particularly important to black Americans, and how they have been systematically excluded for much of North Carolina's history. He also explains why prosecutors are reluctant to accept them on juries, particularly in capital cases ("African-Americans are perceived as less inclined toward the prosecution generally and the death penalty in particular than members of other groups"). But of course, black Americans have the same right/obligation to serve on a jury as anyone else, and a jury is supposed to be comprised of one's peers: of a broad slice of society.
A witness for the state argued that prosecutors tend to strike black jurors not because of their race, but because "African-Americans as a group disfavor the death penalty" and because "African-Americans as a group tend to be more concerned than other groups about fairness and inequality in the justice system." I will give you a moment to pick your jaw up off the floor and/or to stop conking yourself on the forehead. First of all, there is the bald-faced statement that the prosecution wants to exclude jurors concerned with fairness. Not jurors sympathetic to the defence, but jurors who are concerned with fairness! The prosecution in capital cases believes it cannot win before fair-minded jurors! Second, more mendaciously, excluding specific black jurors because of a perception of blacks generally is as close to a textbook case of racism as exists. I fear this post has gone on long enough, so I will not cite specific, incredible reasons prosecutors gave for striking black jurors, but if you want a good laugh/cry, read the last 48 pages of Mr Weeks's ruling.
Republican legislators in North Carolina already tried once to repeal the Racial Justice Act. They failed. Bev Perdue, the state's Democratic governor, vetoed their attempt. Ms Perdue is not long for office, and North Carolina may have a Republican governor soon enough. They will try again. Some have condemned the act as a backdoor method to end the death penalty, which of course it is not. It simply bans the racist application of the death penalty. In 2012, those two things should not be as synonymous as they have been.



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I think the jury system, as it exists currently, is fundamentally flawed & doomed to be unfair & biased, by the inherent prejudices of the unqualified jurors. Jurors who are randomly picked of the street (so to speak) with no legal backgound or the gravitas to reach educated conclusions. Consequently, such a system is more than likely to fail in its singular mission to exact justice & fairness.
I have to agree that race was a factor in this crime. To quote a news story about the crime:
"On the morning of the murder, Robinson obtained the shotgun from a friend, who heard Robinson tell Williams that he wanted to rob a QuikStop or "do" a white boy. After the murder, Robinson told a friend that he had robbed a guy the night before and shot him in the head."
So, commuting the death sentence because race played a role in the trial effectively protects the murderer from justice.
Two wrongs, though. If he's guilty, he should have been convicted out of guilt. Not for being black. If he's racist himself, then I suppose that those well and truly distanced from the legal system and his case can appreciate the irony of the story of a racist being treated badly via racism.
But I rather think that the humans involved in the case or the relevant legal system should have higher standards than to allow an injustice to occur because of another injustice. Racism generally leads to further racism, after all.
In jury trials in Canada, both sides get an equal number of preremptory challenges. The number depends on the nature of the charge. In murder cases, each side gets 12 preremptory challenges. In the vast majority of cases, the Crown does not use all of their challenges.
Bully for North Carolina: my opinion of the place just went up 100%.
I am against the death penalty and even more against the manner in which it is imposed on mentally handicapped black people who are often poorly represented at trial.
NC seems to have been man enough to admit that their Court system was administering injustice and to do something about it. It looks unusually brave from this distance.
Next thing they ought to consider is getting rid of or at least severely limiting prosecution peremptory challenges. In the absence of cause, such as A Andros opposition to the DP the prosecution ought to take humanity as it finds it. After all these are the people they are supposed to represent.
I am pretty sure that countries such as Canada and the UK do not permit the prosecution to exercise peremptory challenges (as I recall two are granted to the defence).
If called to serve on a jury in a capital case I would ask to be excused. If I knew that the DP was an option I would vote to acquit.
We try the best we can in this country to be just but like every other human endeavour we often fail. Some lawyers are incompetent, some prosecutors are vindictive, some judges sleep on the bench and some jurors want to reach a quick verdict in order to get their pot-roast out of the oven on-time. No real evil in this -- just the usual muddle that homo sapiens sapiens makes out of anything serious with even the best will in the world.
Convict 'em, sentence 'em, but don't kill 'em. They may "deserve" death but, rest assured, they are going to receive it. As is every person who reads this post. We are ALL under the death sentence. The condemned are different only in that they happen to know the date of execution. The rest of us find out largely by accident.
American justice is too harsh. No more so than with the death penalty. What makes people think that thirty years in a penitentiary is a walk in the park? There is plenty of suffering to be had there, if that is what we are after.
The DP was understandable when society lacked other resources needed to protect itself. That hasn't been true for generations.
Mercy is not "deserved." If it were, we wouldn't call it mercy -- we would call it justice. Mercy is what we gratuitously give others because, many of us, we recognize in them the image of God, however distorted. We give it for our own sake as much as for that of the condemned.
There is more to each of us than the worst thing s/he ever did.
"The chance that this disparity resulted from race-neutral strikes is less than one in ten trillion"
This is a classic statistics mistake - blithely assuming that all probabilities are independent and multiplying them together to some fantastic number. The conclusion is probably right but the magnitude is laughter-worthy.
J.F., you are right - no sympathy warranted for Mr Robinson.
Some might recognize that I like philosophical quotations of Catholic Saints... here is a good one -> "Time is not inert. It does not roll on through our senses without affecting us. Its passing has remarkable effects on the mind." St. Augustine.
For such a long time, time & history, we, the human race, have practiced racism. Generally speaking, I feel that we are going in the right direction in eliminating racism. However, it is going to take a very long time - perhaps generations.
America, the Land of the Free Lawyers and the Home of the Brave Judges has an outdated "oxymoronic" judicial system, ruled by Rank, Race and Religion.
Outdated? Any system where prosecutors are worried that the race of the juror will lead to acquittal isn't outdated, it's been infested with racism. If an African-American candidate ran for office and people didn't vote because the candidate was African-American would you conclude that the system was 'outdated' or racist?
You want to find an institution where racial profiling, gender bias, ageism, discrimination based on education etc., not only runs rife but is the rule of the game, go to a jury selection process of any trial in the United States.
Lame as their arguments about African-Americans may sound - that is not even half of it. Go into the backrooms where the lawyers fervently study juror profiles and scrub busily on their legal pads, and the reasons that fly there are even more straightforward.
"Damn, she's too old. No go."
"Young white guy, recent college grad. He's an A on our list."
"Recently divorced, Latino. No way, Jose."
"He's black. Ding him."
The whole system of jury trials needs to be re-examined. The litigators find the holes in the system and will use every underhanded tactic in the book to skew bias a certain way to affect trial outcomes.
So this is how justice is supposed to be served?
Yes, it is. Court isn't a place where justice is dished out, it's the place to decide who's lawyer is better. A re-examined and re-structured system of jury trial will swap one bias for another. Nothing more.
Too jaded a viewpoint. Civil and criminal trials occur by the thousands every day, and most people don't think the outcomes are all that bad. By and large, justice is served, the guilty are caught and punished, and the people who have committed torts or contract violations are held accountable. Everything runs pretty smoothly 90% of the time.
The news typically gets hold of the oddball cases where mistakes were made or shenanigans committed, but it is wrong to extrapolate from that and say that the justice system doesn't dish out justice properly.
'A witness for the state argued that prosecutors tend to strike black jurors not because of their race, but because "African-Americans as a group disfavor the death penalty" and because "African-Americans as a group tend to be more concerned than other groups about fairness and inequality in the justice system." '
In other words, prosecutors do avoid black jurors but not because they're black!
Oh no, the real reason is that black people don't vote for the penalty prosecutors want due to concerns about fairness, so prosecutors avoid black jurors because they're black...wait...
That illustrates the problem -- North Carolina is perfectly justified in striking a juror that is anti-death penalty, but instead it looks like they were striking African-Americans on the *assumption* that they would be anti-death penalty (or anti-police, or some other unwanted bias).
There is nothing wrong with ferreting out bias, but you can't simply assume the existence of bias based on the color of someone's skin. You have to ask individual jurors individual questions, and strike them on their individual merits.
The US has a severe social problem with one in three black males serving time in jail. I hardly doubt the solution is every jury needs to be racially balanced. Most of the answer is as simple as follow the laws and you stay out of trouble.
True, obeying the law will protect you - but if my white friends had been searched for drugs at random like black kids are, a lot more of them would have wound up in prison. Reminds me of one of them making the same case that you are - "why can't they just follow the law?" - while carrying marijuana in his pocket.
I Reccommend your exact argument and herein lie the exact reforms that need to be implemented. Rational drug legalizations with safeguards and a restriction on policing powers. And severe penalties for police that abuse those powers a la Henry Louis Gates wasn't about race but about Gate's reaction to the authority of Policeman Crowley.
Society's interests are served by neither racist propensities of police or leniency for black lawbreakers as compensation.
Excellent post.
Ghastly if remarkably unsurprising conclusions (which make it even more ghastly, in a very circular way).
Last time I was on jury duty, we had to have a UNANIMOUS agreement to convict. And we had to have no reasonable doubt as to the guilt.
Jun 25, 2011 – Jury Selected in Anthony Sowell Murder Trial. After three weeks ... The racial makeup of the jury is seven white people and five black people.
www.courtnewsreport.com/archives/013662.html
Aug 10, 2011 – After deliberating for a total of about seven hours, a jury recommended the death penalty for convicted serial killer Anthony Sowell.
http://www.cleveland.com/anthony-sowell/
NPWFTL
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Well, if it's found that Robinson (or anybody else who has committed such a heinous crime) was sued and sentenced by a biased court, it should be reasonable to arrange a retrial, with all the necessary scrutiny of the race-based finery. I mean, instead of allowing the stupid statistical analysis to have precedence over justice.
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Secondly, did anyone checked if Robinson and his accomplice had murdered their victim with such an exceptional cruelty because he was white? If arithmetic matters as much as it seems in this story, perpetrators' racism (+) vis justice system racism (-) make 0 in sum. No need of any commuting. Hang him by the neck for what he did, not for what he is.
"If arithmetic matters as much as it seems in this story, perpetrators' racism (+) vis justice system racism (-) make 0 in sum. No need of any commuting. Hang him by the neck for what he did, not for what he is."
Ah, but the pertinent issue would then be: Would the same jury have passed the same death sentence had the colours of the perpetrator and the victim been reversed?
The pertinent issue in any circumstances and in front of any jury is and would be to adequately punish the cruel, heinous, senseless murder of 17 years old boy.
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Of whatever race.
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Would you mind to delve into your silly guilt-ridden musings not on expense of the victim please?
"Ah, but the pertinent issue would then be: Would the same jury have passed the same death sentence had the colours of the perpetrator and the victim been reversed?"
I think the fact that Robinson's lawyers wanted the death sentence commuted to life without parole instead of asking for a retrial is ample evidence that they were scared that a new, unbiased jury would still have sentenced him to death.
Both you and RP misses my point:
Judging from what is happening in Florida right now, I find reasonable doubt that neither the original Jury nor your "new, unbiased jury" would have sentenced the murderers to death for an identical crime had the murderers been white and the victim black, ALL OTHER DETAILS BEING IDENTICAL INCLUDING THE VICTIM'S AGE.
As I recall, research shows that black jurors are more likely to use jury nullification to find a defendant not guilty. As a prosecutor, it would be valid to not have jurors with this bias, since the prosecutors are trying to uphold the law which is not the same as fair and just. My suspicion is that a white juror in Florida will find George Zimmerman not guilty no matter what the evidence, through nullification. Expect the prosecutor to look for an all black jury in that case, although it probably won't happen.
When the state of Florida argued the Gideon case in front of the Supreme Court, they said requiring each defendant be allowed a lawyer would be unfair in part because many inmates were illiterate. This was argued despite an earlier ruling by the Court that the state had to provide counsel to illiterate defendants because they couldn't understand the writings in the case.
The state's witness was clearly a moron. Do you honestly think the prosecutors evaluating potential juries asked questions like, "Are you interested in judicial fairness?" and then marked off the black jurors who said yes. Isn't it more like they were marked off after answering questions like, "Have you ever been arrested?", "What is your perception of the police?" etc. The fact that more blacks have been arrested and have negative opinions about the police, prosecutors, and the death penalty is not racism.
I don't know about that. The state was trying to justify its apparent use of race during jury selection when North Carolina law specifically bans the use of race as a significant factor in selecting a jury. That was bound to result in some tortured logic.
As another commenter pointed out, the defense usually exercises its peremptory challenges against educated professionals. A black educated professional is just as likely to be challenged as a white one. Likewise, a totally incompetent black who has had run ins with the criminal justice system is just as likely to be challenged by the prosecution as his white equivalent.
The statistical analysis used actually tried to factor in things like prior arrests, unemployment, etc. Even when controlling for these factors, African-Americans were being excluded from the jury at a higher rate than would be expected from a random sampling. Thus, I do believe that some sort of racial bias was present in the selection process.
That raises the question, however, as to whether that bias was motivated by solely by race, or by assumptions about perceived bias. It is one thing to first ask "do you have relatives who have ever been arrested", and striking a black juror that says yes because he or she has a potential bias as a result, versus striking a black juror under the assumption that he or she is more likely to have a relative who was arrested and therefore may be biased.
This is why I think peremptories are not necessarily the best method -- it is better to require strikes for-cause, but make sure that the for-cause grounds are liberally broad. This would force both sides to actually ask the pertinent questions, and then articulate (on the record) exactly why they are concerned that bias may exist. I think it is perfectly acceptable to strike a juror who has had a family member get arrested, since they are potentially "too close" to a situation to rule objectively, but unless all judges agree with me, there is a chance that some judges might deny such a for-cause strike (which is why peremptories exist in the first place).
"A jury is supposed to be comprised of one's peers: of a broad slice of society."
The accused have a right to an "impartial jury" of citizens, not juries of peers and broad slices.
"First of all, there is the bald-faced statement that the prosecution wants to exclude jurors concerned with fairness. Not jurors sympathetic to the defence, but jurors who are concerned with fairness!"
J.F., you're responding to moronic wording by the state witness (as LexHumana noted), but your "jaw dropping" conclusion is, no offense, bull.
Most prosecutors are concerned about finding jurors who are willing to punish when warranted, rather than tending to find excuses.
These prosecutors may have pursued that goal by unfairly applying ignorant stereotypes about classes of prospective jurors, but that is not the same as what you claimed.
"The chance that this disparity resulted from race-neutral strikes is less than one in ten trillion... These disparities held firm even when controlled for other potentially mitigating factors."
Sure, when they controlled for the small number of variables the researchers had available to code and control for. Did that include variables like income? No.
I'll add the 1 in 10 trillion figure is nonsense, and anchors you and your readers in a false space.
There are only 1 in 10 trillion odds the jury distribution wasn't race neutral IF there are ZERO other possible race-correlated reasons to strike jurors.
(I'd guess the odds of THAT are much less than 1 in 10 trillion.)
Start adding in race-correlated factors and the odds start plummeting by factors. You highlighted a figure that is not "fair-minded."
cs r,
"First of all, there is the bald-faced statement that the prosecution wants to exclude jurors concerned with fairness. Not jurors sympathetic to the defence, but jurors who are concerned with fairness!"
"J.F., you're responding to moronic wording by the state witness"
The original quote reads quite easily. How do you construe it to mean anything other than that the state witness thought a concern for fairness would be prejudiced against the prosecution?
Here's the quote: "African-Americans as a group tend to be more concerned than other groups about fairness and inequality in the justice system."
Note the word inequality.
Here is how J.F. interprets the quote:
"The prosecution wants to exclude jurors concerned with fairness."
Let's reinterpret the quote:
"The prosecution wants to exclude jurors concerned with inequality in the justice system."
Does commonsense tell you an expert witness for the state was trying to claim (1) prosecutors avoid blacks because they are especially fair-minded, or (2) prosecutors worry black jurors are not impartial because these jurors believe the justice system is systemically flawed and skewed against blacks?
@cs r
"(2) prosecutors worry black jurors are not impartial because these jurors believe the justice system is systemically flawed and skewed against blacks?"
As a professional interpreter, I'd vote (2) as the correct interpretation. However, this sentence hides a more fundamental issue: Are the black jurors JUSTIFIED in their belief that the US Justice system is systemically skewed against the blacks? Statistics referred to in this article says that they are, or at least they WERE at the time of this quote.
Anjin-San,
Yes, I agree statistics show bias.
But there is a distinction between "fair" as in due process trials and "fair" as in even outcomes for similar crimes.
Everyone generally receives fair due process trials, facing duly legislated punishments for crimes committed, though the statistical outcomes are not fair as in statistically even between races.
Part of the statistical bias is unintentional impact from factors correlated to race, like income available to hire better lawyers. There is little the justice system can do about these issues. But partly there is possible straight-out, even if unconscious, bias by prosecutors, judges, and other actors in the system.
One step society has taken is to tighten the spread of outcomes with "determinate sentencing." That sacrifices judicial discretion for more consistent, even punishments.
However, if we agree peremptory challenges remain important for fair justice, we can be guaranteed - in an environment where blacks have concerns about the systemic fairness of the justice system - prosecutors will disproportionately dismiss black jurors. Then, the inescapable logic is that we're trading off one kind of fairness for more due process fairness. (!)
cs r
Are you suggesting that black jurors' belief that the justice system is systemically flawed and skewed against blacks is a self-fulfilling prophecy in that such beliefs make them more likely to be removed from the jury panel by peremptory challenges?
Yes, to some extent. (I'd note more precisely that black jurors' belief the justice system is unfair as in uneven punishment outcomes or unfair as in no due process for black defendants, results in unfair as in uneven participation by black jurors. Then the issue becomes second-order effects of that result.)
One solution is ending peremptory challenges. Or we accept the risk and keep pushing to tighten the evenness of criminal behavior to charging risk and punishments.
A trial is about the culpability of the defendant. Not society, not the state, not the culture- it is about one person and what he deserves. People are not statistics, they are not some indistinguishable member of some group, they are individuals who are responsible for their actions alone.
That there is racial bias in the criminal justice system is a problem that must be addressed- but there is no reason why this should mean that the victim, or the victims family should be denied justice. Did this seventeen year old deserve to live any less because of North Carolina's failings?
This person murdered a helpless seventeen year old, while he begged for his life. Whether or not you believe in the death sentence, if it is applied at all, it should be applied to this person.
Nope, the reason we have the 4th, 5th and 8th amendments, habeas corpus and the right to a trial in the first place is that the critical defense of liberty is to defend the people from the state when it comes to justice. The right to a jury trial is about society. Your third paragraph is correct, but it is right that when the state or society block justice, there's a remedy.
Doug,
How would justice in this case be blocked by executing Mr Robinson?
Neither I nor the blogger say justice in this case would be blocked. The point is that it is also right to protect the process generally and that that be done for every trial. That's not new or radical. That's how our system was meant to work.
Doug,
Well, you said in your response to Publius that "it is right when the state or society block justice, there's a remedy."; I thought you were applying that to this case. I agree with that statement by the way, but don't believe that this decision (not to execute Mr Robinson) provides a remedy to anything.
Well said. I would say that they are there to defend individuals against the state, rather to protect some abstract system. In no way did the defense prove a violation of the rights of the defendant- their evidence was statistical rather than particular. The system is only there to protect the person, the person should not be used to protect the system.
By the way, I think a better amendment to bring up in defense of overturning the verdict would be the 14th, since it is the only one that brings up the relationship of justice to individuals vis a vis each other, rather than the state.
Basically, you're defending the logic of the Miranda decision, and extending it a little further. You're taking substantive due process, and saying procedural due process should be violated (the guilty defendant should be acquitted) in order to protect the substantive due process (equal treatment according to race) of defendants generally. I just believe that procedural due process should come first in order of importance.
Makes sense. The blogger took pains to make explicit that he wasn't defending this particular defendant so I thought Publius missed the important point in order to emphasize the point not in dispute. But it's still fair for the self-checking to affect miserable defendants. The ideal that laws like this one work towards shouldn't be that cold-blooded killers go free but that the whole apparatus is careful about justice throughout the process. Historically, we've done that by letting bad guys get leniency in order to punish bad justice.
I don't see another remedy. We can't have jurors and judges held personally liable for their decisions so we say that if the justice was miscarried to such a degree that there's reasonable doubt about the verdict introduced, then the verdict should be overturned. I sort of hate that individual cases get subjected to statistical evidence of bias but I also wouldn't be comfortable trusting a system that seems to err on one side dependably. If there's a solution other than mitigating verdicts, I'm very open to that as a better solution.
But on the whole, I'm libertarian enough that I'd rather see guilty people get mercy than live with a state that doesn't have to prove its case as well if it finds an unsympathetic defendant than it would if it found another. For what it's worth, I'd rather that the law require the defense to provide some evidence that in the case in question, the bias affected the result. But on the macro level, I want the state's power as subject to judgement as the individual's actions.
I think there's a real problem of bringing in statistical evidence here. First off, where do you stop when it comes to dividing people into little groups to ensure all the groups are statistically getting convicted at the same rate. Women are far less likely to get the death penalty. We have a bias against executing women. Should the state control for that? What about poverty or your neighborhood? Do they control for poverty in these white/black statistics?
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Since we have a federal system, with different laws depending on which state you live in, people get different justice. When you think about that, that isn't really fair.
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The other problem is that if you flip it around, can you convict somebody on statistical evidence? Can the state go, "not enough white people have been executed to meet our quota so this guy should get a higher penalty"? Can you bring in somebodies statistical likelihood to be a criminal to get a conviction? I would say that this is all wrong, so the same thing going in the other direction.
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There are other ways to create equality. I think that "the case in question" should be the criterion.
No, I agree with that. Official discrimination is a maddening problem. But I still think we're left with the fact that only a perfect society can afford to only consider the case in question. If you put a bright line around that, there's no solution to systemic problems in the legal system.
I think it's a battle that has to be fought one defendant at a time. Preferably in defense of the innocent.
In the US, is it not pretty standard that everyone deserves a fair trial? Does that not hold true in the case of trials in which the defendant clearly committed the crime? Does that not also hold true regardless of the heinousness of the crime? And is sentencing not a part of that trial in the case of trials where a death sentence is involved? These are not rhetorical questions; I'm somewhat unfamiliar with the US legal system, and I would like to know whether what I have heard about it is actually true or no. However, if true, in this case the defendant still deserves fair sentencing as part of his trial, sentencing that is not affected by systematic racial bias, regardless of the severity of the crime and the certainty of his guilt. If it is not true, and I don't know if you're in a position to explain it or not (or if you'd even be interested in doing so), but I'd appreciate an explanation of why and under what circumstances exceptions are acceptable.
I would also like to add that it seems a touch odd to claim that trials exist in isolation of the larger society, state, and culture. Perhaps they should, but in that case, all the more reason to avoid biases and discrimination brought to the trial by the larger society.
“The prosecution in capital cases believes it cannot win before fair-minded jurors!”
Only if you believe that one particular witness, who appears not to make a whole lot of sense.
I recognize that this piece is not anti-death penalty per se, but this strikes me as a case of robbing Peter and Paul to pay no-one. On the face of the facts presented here, executing Mr Robinson would not represent a perversion of the course of justice; he committed a crime for which the penalty is death, but he is not going to be executed. This decision does nothing for the the family of Mr Robinson’s victim, but perhaps even more perversely, it does NOTHING for the victims of those families whose loved ones were murdered by whites who benefited from the kind of racial bias described here. It benefits only the murderer of an innocent man.
And again, I sense we’re going to go around in circles here because there is no defined objective to the justice system. Is it to punish wrongdoers? Is it to rehabilitate wrongdoers? Is it to protect the law-abiders from those who would do them harm?
Absent any such definition of objective, discussions such as this are literally pointless. We’re like a bunch of marathon runners lining up at the start of a race, without knowing where the finish line is.
Sorry: that should have read "... it does nothing for the families whose loved ones were murdered by whites who benefited...".
Cut and Paste and Creeping Senility.
How can a country so proud of its Christian roots so strongly promote State executed blood vengeance?
You are right in that pardoning Mr Robinson from the death penalty does not help the victim's family, but neither does killing him. Killing does not make the pain go away, never has, never will.
Robinson committed murder, and thus forfeited his right to life. The State can reinstate it by sentencing him to life in prison, but should not be obligated to do so.
If there was a problem with his conviction then he should get a new trial, not a new punishment.
The US isn't a country proud of its Christian roots. There are individual Christians who may be proud of their religious heritage, but that doesn't commit the entire country to them.
Locking him up for life won't help his victim's family either. Come to that, nothing would, so is that what we should do - nothing? Just find him guilty and let him go?
In my original comment, I alluded to the need for a statement of objective for each state's justice system. Absent any such statement, I can only voice my own belief on the applicability of the death penalty, which is that it is the ONLY way to give society a watertight - and very worthy - guarantee that the murderer would never kill again. Ted Bundy was in jail at one point; he escaped, and killed two more women (that we know of): how many has he killed since he was executed?
Interesting point.
Is justice about "doing something for the victim's loved ones"? Or about protecting society, including the victim's loved ones, against the consequences of the guilty defendant walking free (namely that he/she would commit another crime)?
I guess that is a fairly key point of judicial philosophy, to which I do not have a ready-made answer.
You are right in that locking him up won't help him either, because revenge does not help! Don't get me wrong, our governments has outlawed all other form of justices, and that gives them a obligation to make sure that the perpetrator is caught and brought to some form of "justice".
But if killing a person does not help more than not killing, surely we should err on the side of caution when taking lives? Surely the arguments needs to be HEAVILY in favour of the killing, not only be:
Well, you couldn't bring up any great arguments why the hell not!
And, no, the only way to make sure that a person never murders again is not execution. It is true that Ted Bundy escaped after being transferred. But at that point he was only found guilty for kidnapping, not yet murder (even though he was be tried for that as well).
The only way an execution would have helped was if it was pre-emptive, maybe not the best method for a democracy.
There will always be a slight possibility of people escaping from prison, true, but it will always be possible to escape from death row to. And it will NOT be possible to have executions without long death rows in a society with due process. There you have it.
The best way of stopping a murder is not to kill a perpetrator once caught, it is catch him to beginn with. Even better, it is to have a strong mental care, a good welfare state, less guns on the street, a society that gives people other methods of handling problems than violence, so that we try to keep MURDERS FROM HAPPENING TO BEGIN WITH! Any crime prevention that requries that someone murders BEFORE it kicks in seems to be quite unambitios to me.
JG,
You refute my point that the only way to guarantee that a person never murders again is execution, but your subsequent claims do not sustain your point.
The fact remains that Mr Bundy has not murdered anyone since he was executed. Neither has any other executed murderer. But there are convicted murderers who either escaped from prison (or were released), and who killed again.
So I stand by my original point.
'It will not be possible to have executions without long death rows in a society with due process?' Why not? Timothy McVeigh was executed six years after his conviction (short by comparison, but still too long). Due process only has to take as long as we make it take.
'Try to keep murders from happening to begin with'? You don't suppose we're doing that already? Strong mental care, a good welfare state? The best mental care in the world is useless to those who do not avail themselves of it. There are countries in the world with much better welfare states than the US', but they still have murders.
Sorry, but your last sentence didn't make sense to me. You seem to be saying that if someone commits a crime, then crime prevention efforts have failed... (No kidding?) That's only true if you believe it is principally the responsibility of the state to prevent crime, and I don't. I believe it is principally the responsibility of an individual to refrain from crime; if he does not, then he is responsible for his fate, not the state.
Yeah, it was a sloppy post, I concede to that.
Let me explain a bit better how I think:
"The fact remains that Mr Bundy has not murdered anyone since he was executed. Neither has any other executed murderer. But there are convicted murderers who either escaped from prison (or were released), and who killed again."
No one argues that killing a person is surely a simpler way of making sure that a person doesn't kill again than for an example say locking them up. But it would be possible to create prisons you can't esacpe from (Alcatraz), you could also lobotomize people etc. I am not saying that killing a person stops them from future crime, that goes without saying, I am just saying that it is not the only way.
"'Try to keep murders from happening to begin with'? You don't suppose we're doing that already? Strong mental care, a good welfare state? The best mental care in the world is useless to those who do not avail themselves of it. There are countries in the world with much better welfare states than the US', but they still have murders."
Actually, no, I don't think you (US) are doing enough to stop it, and my experience is that those who most clamour for the death penalty tend to be least friendly to the social engineering needed to lower crime. You are right that the welfare states has murders as well, but only 20 % of the level of US. And that is even though we let out our murderers and don't kill them. Surely, if you're intent was to limit the amount of murders, shouldn't that be the focus?
What I meant with my last sentence is that the right's solution always seems to be to punish and punish hard. The problem is, especially with murders, that it is too late. The crime is already done. I am not saying we shouldn't punish criminals, I think we have a moral obligation to do so. But let us not kid us self that it is a way to stop crime, that is done before, note after the criminal action (economic crime is a bit different, I'll admit).
JG,
I hear you... I wish there was a way to delete a post entirely (a death penalty for 'sloppy posts' if you will... ;-)). I could certainly use it now and again.
Just to be clear, I was careful to use the word 'guarantee' in my original post. Sure you can have strong prisons, but never one that can guarantee that no inmate therein will ever kill again. Hence I still stand by my original assertion.
I also stand by my later (implied) assertion that commission of a crime represents a failure on the part of an individual, not on the part of society at large. If we continue seeking to rationalize an individual's wrongdoing - whether it's murder or a speeding violation - on the basis of 'society's failure' to make life easy for him, then no-one will ever be accountable for anything; open all the prisons and let everybody out. And I want a refund of every parking or speeding fine I ever paid.
No, seriously; if I argued in court that the reason I was speeding along the highway is that the state failed to prevent the congestion that slowed me down as I was trying to get out of the city, do you think I'd have a compelling case? Or that the reason I overstayed on a parking meter was that the state (or city) fails to provide adequate parking for shoppers closer to where they want to shop?
I have never tried to kid anyone that punishments are a way to stop crime generally; I don't believe it to begin with, and I believe studies support this with empirical data (and other studies refute it; I guess it depends who funds the study).
But a fundamental difference here is that I believe accountability is ultimately personal, whereas you appear to believe that it is societal, or communal. To put my own case more clearly, when a group of individuals form a society (tribe, state, or nation) for the purpose of making rules and laws, it then becomes each the responsibility of each individual one of them to honor those laws, and to accept the consequences for their own individual failure to do so.
And after all that, there is my original point that these discussions can never be truly resolved as long as there is no defined objective to the justice system. Our back-and-forth here rather proves that point... neither of us is going to prevail here in its absence.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Best Regards
"How can a country so proud of its Christian roots so strongly promote State executed blood vengeance?"
Maybe because the Bible Fundamentalists prefer the Old Testament over the New? :P
I second Hamakko. Presently, there is no other 100% GUARANTEED way than the Death Penalty to DEMONSTRABLY ensure that a convicted murderer never kills again.
Conversely, in a society that accepts the Capital Punishment as a means to ensure that a killer never kills again, convicted serial killers should have a MANDATORY death sentence, because if the serial killer's guilt is established beyond reasonable doubt, then his/her intent to kill again is also beyond reasonable doubt.