MY COLLEAGUE at Democracy in America writes to clarify his view of an aggressive American approach to China's renminbi policy, and I still am struggling to see things his way. I've been trying to pinpoint precisely where our views diverge, and I think there are actually several disagreements. He begins his reponse by saying:
I don't buy the argument that China is hamstrung in its ability to make trade or currency policy by its citizens' nationalism. Its citizens' interests are a different matter.
The argument that retaliatory actions against another country are futile because they will only anger that country's nationalist constituents is an argument with roots in fields like human rights and nuclear non-proliferation. In those contexts it's a very strong argument. In fields like human rights, freedom of expression and rule of law, or on issues like Tibet, there is virtually nothing outsiders can do that will affect internal Chinese policy, and while America cannot be seen to condone gross abuses, taking aggressive stances is generally unproductive. The perception by both leaders and the general public is that outsiders have no business interfering in these issues.
Trade disputes are different. They involve credible interests on the part of the importing countries, which the exporting countries must and do take seriously. Ultimately, it's our money. There's no way to pretend that the importing country has "no business" intervening in a trade issue. So trade disputes just don't generate the same kinds of resentment against outside interference as human-rights or security disputes. Yes, the exporting country's public generally sees trade actions as part of a scheme by foreigners to keep them down, but that resentment mostly gets filed away and doesn't much affect government policy decisions.
Two points. First, I find the attempt to draw a distinction between the human rights case and the economic interest case to be entirely unconvincing. I fail to see how an America that can't get China to agree to cease human rights violations can somehow get China to cease pegging its currency. It's certainly clear that America doesn't make as big a deal about human rights issues as economic issues because America sees that it has more of a domestic interest in intervention, but that has nothing to do with how effective intervention is likely to be. In either case, America has the leverage it has. What's more, it's inappropriate to pretend that negotiations on one issue are irrelevant to negotiations on other issues. Confrontations with China over economics should explicitly take into account the likely effect of those confrontations on other international problems, from China's domestic human rights issues, to instability in North Korea and Iran, to climate change. America is involved in one, long, many-faceted negotiation with China, which is one reason the decision to push a hard line on the currency issue is so fraught.
Second, it is difficult, actually, to make the case that China is preserving the currency peg based on the interests of its citizenry. The case was stronger in late 2008, when global trade collapsed and China was looking to prevent a total industrial meltdown (and when appreciation against the dollar would have meant extremely rapid appreciation against most other currencies). At this point, the effect of appreciation on the Chinese would be somewhat ambiguous, but there is good reason to think that an orderly rise in the RMB would generate net benefits. Which is why China is hinting that revaluation is just a matter of time, and which is why it is silly to make it more difficult for China to revalue by roiling domestic political conversations with a newly aggressive approach.
Here's where the disagreements really pile up:
But if America thinks the undervalued RMB really is a problem, both because of its effects on American workers, its effects on America's macroeconomic imbalances, and its global contribution to instability; and if America thinks that blanket tariffs on Chinese imports would help correct those imbalances in the absence of revaluation, then absent some other convincing argument against them, America should implement such tariffs and seek agreement with other importing countries on harmonising them. That this will make a nationalist Chinese public angry is not much of an argument against doing so...
There is no world in which China refuses to revalue, America slaps tariffs on China, and then we all go on our merry way. China will either retaliate—with tariffs of its own or via new depreciation—in which case America's bluff has been called and things can only get worse, or China will reluctantly agree, America's current account deficit will not much change (since many Chinese exports will merely become exports from some other emerging market nation, and since America will still import gobs of petroleum), and America's relationship with China will be decidedly more frosty—which could potentially be extremely costly. Which isn't to say that revaluation wouldn't be positive on net. It's simply to say, as I have been saying, that revaluation cannot produce benefits large enough to be worth the potential downside risks of an aggressive strategy.
To get more deeply into the weeds, it's clearly true that with China having re-prioritised growth over stability in the context of the global recession, local government officials and Party cadres are going to be opposed to RMB revaluation or anything else that interferes with their ability to report back high growth figures from their provinces, and forestall embarrassing factory closures and unrest. This is the clearest sense in which Beijing's "freedom of movement" is likely limited. But if you accept that RMB undervaluation is a major problem and is indistinguishable from broad export subsidies, then to say that America should do nothing to respond to it is to say that we should run a trade deficit and put our own manufacturers at a disadvantage to help maintain political stability and the popularity of the government and Communist Party in industrial regions of China. That's where it seems to me that we would be taking responsibility for something that is none of our business. China is responsible for its own internal politics, and is quite capable of handling them.
I don't know what it means to say that china has re-prioritised growth over stability. Where China is concerned growth is stability. But the broader point is that America's trade deficit has relatively little to do with the RMB peg. Revaluation would reduce it somewhat, but much of the imbalance in the Sino-American relationship stems from structural factors on both sides, which would persist. Meanwhile, America continues to run persistent current account deficits with plenty of other trading partners against whose currencies the dollar floats. Europe, for instance.
And I am absolutely not advocating that America do nothing in the face of the Chinese peg. There are mutually beneficial deals to be struck, and America should seek to strike them. And I think consistent but polite pressure with respect to the RMB peg is appropriate.
It seems to me that among economists, the get-tough approach is based on a naive view of American power, and among politicians, the get-tough approach is about the political possibilities of economic nationalism and populism. I have yet to see a clear case for why an agressive move toward more heated rhetoric and tariffs is the respectful, and most effective, way to get what America wants.



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Well said. Once again, I differ from DIA, but appreciate the discussions arising from the Economist bloggers' in-house differences. Go Free Exchange!
The biggest reason for what I view as Avent's failure of understanding here is his truncated view of Chinese political decision making. He sees that a measured revaluation would be a net benefit for the Chinese economy and seems to figure someone will do a policy paper pointing this out within China, and presto, the unified Chinese leadership will enact the policy paper.
It would be better to think of the Chinese system as riven by interest groups with all of the most powerful interests tapped into some part of the Party and government. Right now the exporters seem to have gained an advantage, though they are clearly not in complete control. Outside pressure may well help tip the scales.
Avent claims to not favor doing nothing (though he's never made a post for positive action on this issue). In that case the disagreement is over how to apply pressure and how much. Fair enough.
However, beyond my disagreements over the relative rationality of the Chinese leadership (I think they can take a bit of trade rattling without cutting off their noses on North Korea or Iran), I think a negotiated long term deal will only be likely if there's an actual airing of disagreements. Some of that will be unpleasant and there are risks, but given our very likely stagnant growth path of the next five or more year, it is necessary that the international trade regime become more robust to include currency and capital market distortions if it is to survive intact.
The Economist should be leading on this issue, not wringing its hands.
HFG, what happened in Japan after the Plaza Accord? (Mind you, no one I'm aware of is calling for such a radical move as 50pct, which was how much the yen fell '85-'87. Even those who are talking 40pct would be OK with getting there over four or five years I believe.)
Until around that time, Japan's financial sector had been entirely protected from outside competition. Compared to your Sonys and your Toyotas, which were well tuned due to competing on world markets, the banks and the rest of the financial system were dullards and very much under the sway of the mandarins in the MOF.
The lot of them saw London's Big Bang and thought they could play along and make Tokyo a big swinging dick in world capital markets, but succeeded only in blowing an enormous asset bubble which inevitably went kaboom. Edward Chancellor does a good job telling the tale in "Devil Take the Hindmost". Richard Pettis has also discussed on his excellent blog how the situation developed as a result of deliberate Japanese government actions.
Why, then, did the LDP continue to hold power for so long? (And continues to do so today, as IMHO the Ozawa faction calling itself a political party doesn't make it one.) Because unemployment remained low and social cohesion was maintained.
Contrast this with the US, which is widely expected to suffer high unemployment for several years. Not to get too deep into the weeds here, but Mitt Romney ran a strong race for the Republican nomination after getting through in Massachusetts pretty much the same thing as the congressional Democrats just did. What does the Republican response to RomneyCare on a national level say about America's social cohesion?
During the Shrub years, Americans were told not to worry that everything they bought at Walmart was made in China because our advantage was in creating innovative financial products which they were happy to buy. R.A., how do you think it plays outside Manhattan and the Beltway when Americans hear that the Chinese are grilling Turbo Timmy about our national budget?
My main case for frank talk is that I believe legitimacy is at risk in the US. It's not wrong that the pendulum should swing from pretending our trade deficit doesn't matter to confronting the issue head on. (As a corollary, I agree with Bruce Bartlett that the US really should have had a debate on single-payer health care but this was stymied by those who fund the right-wing think tanks which The Economist has much lauded.)
In the longer run, frank acknowledgement of where US and Chinese national interests coincide and conflict might be the best way to work through the rise of China. Sweeping problems under the rug denotes anything but respect, for the American electorate and also for the Chinese people who maybe can't yet vote in a meaningful way but who can, if motivated, at least access the debate.
I really don't see what so bad China Trade War please. They will try everthing to stop US escalation of tariffs and i'm sure EU will not be in China corner or for heaven sake other asian nation that our devaule there currnecy agaisnt yuran. To me make no diffrent hell I would love to them carry massvie US debt while blowing up in there face trying to keep currancy so low against the dollar. Well see how stable there little country is after that.
This re-value the Chinese RMB is getting old.
Much like when people went on and on about the number unemployed.
China saw what happened in the late 80's and 90's when Japan
let the Yen rise at the insistance of America.
Regards
unfortunately I don't consider it to have been working, maybe if I was chinese it has been working since they have kept their peg the entire time w/ zero response from the united states.
if china can unilaterally have a peg, than america can unilaterally take action against the peg. neither is strongarming the other.
if america enacting its own laws to deal china's currency manipulation engenders angry chinese reponse of "strongarming" then I'm afraid not only do you not know what the word means, but that there is no hope for being amicable.
"uryu I'm not trying to strongarm china into any action. I am only proposing after the aforementioned "asking really nicely" has failed(which it already has for many years now), that we take our own action to correct the problem. china need not act.
no strongarming required."
Actually, if you weren't so ignorant about Chinese-American relations, you'd realize "asking really nicely" was working just fine prior to the global recession as far as the currency peg goes. "Our own action" clearly is referring to tariffs, which is economic strongarming (such action at the extreme are called embargoes, you know, economic policy we use to strongarm Cuba, Iran, and North Korea?).
uryu I'm not trying to strongarm china into any action. I am only proposing after the aforementioned "asking really nicely" has failed(which it already has for many years now), that we take our own action to correct the problem. china need not act.
no strongarming required.
"and if china is uninterested in your deals and unworried about your politeness(as it has been for years now). are we to assume THEN that you recommend we do nothing?"
I think this attitude is the key myopia that plagues those who advocate tariffs. They view China as an obstinate, unmoving nation that can only be strong-armed into action. This is ridiculous and almost borders on the neo-conservative view of the world. Which other country do we treat with such contempt?
The truth is that were China actually as obstinate as the Krugmanites imagine, the world would be a much different place. Taiwan would most likely be a colony by now; Hong Kong and Macau would no longer receive the "special administrative region" status that allows citizens of those territories much more freedom than their mainland brethren; China wouldn't even be paying lip service to environmental issues; etc. Look at how China bent-over-backwards during the Olympics to appease Western sensibilities, e.g. banning the sale of dog meat. I cannot think of a single concession from China that stemmed from the threat of tariffs; I can think of plenty that stemmed from wise and patient diplomacy.
The parallel between Krugman and the neo-conservatives is stronger than you'd imagine.
But Diplomacy takes SOOOO long! Shouting and threatening gives immediate satisfaction and keeps you high in the polls.
"And I am absolutely not advocating that America do nothing in the face of the Chinese peg. There are mutually beneficial deals to be struck, and America should seek to strike them. And I think consistent but polite pressure with respect to the RMB peg is appropriate."
and if china is uninterested in your deals and unworried about your politeness(as it has been for years now). are we to assume THEN that you recommend we do nothing?
I have a difficult time discriminating between a direct recommendation of doing nothing, and your recommendation.