Marine Le Pen

starting with this commentator(toc-toc) and other french ones here are in delusion, they think what they tell us here is believable perspective for their past, however, if you ask an algerian what happened at that time, he will tell you the quite opposite of this commentator; or ask any one in any country that france exploited...if they were how this commentator descirbed , they would not immigrate to France in the first place, but unfortunately even this simple fact is now ignored by those in delusion.

..btw, i hope you realize that all of French commentators here get silenced when they start to hear the truth of their past and its consequences to the present, and stop making comments against the immigrants, and started to whitewash their past.

French are French to their past.

Oh, they had no problems with using their own people, either... They are not particularly choosy: they will slaughter any people without any qualms. They are truly equal opportunity massacrers, you see, and not prejudiced, at all - like those bad, biased Westerners...

Why argue about the French versus the British?? The worst were the Spanish - 80 million deaths during the "conquest" of Latin America. The largest genocide in history. Apparently the French and the British were very gentle - only 20 million deaths in North America!!!

Fair enough, L6QjhvJGVk. I mentioned Britain because the Brits own and edit The Economist and most of its blogs, and because a fair number of those reading here are from Britain or its former colonies. So, that mirror is quite helpful.

Speaking of misinformed, sikko6: In 1940, France had to surrender its colonies too. Some acquiesced and were subsequently taken over by the Allies, in the process entailing local deaths albeit not on a massive scale (Mers-el-Kebir and the North African campaign); others sided with De Gaulle from the start or quickly (most of the Pacific colonies); but plainly, none was the subject of a military invasion by Germany.
Would I blame sikko6 for a genocide against logic, though? Hmmm...

toc toc is noise and has no logic in it!

What is this, kindergarten?

Did you hear about the Gorkhas'(among other native regiments) contribution to the British Army, and their participation in coflicts from WW1 to the Falklands?

Possibly, but can you explain why french (or french speaking) colonies have seen much distabalization, at least in Africa, than British Colonies.... From DRC, Rwanda, Ivory Coat... to Mali..

You, my dear, made a serious mistake by evoking, as an argument that was supposed to prove your point, French Guiana -and yes, that's the correct spelling, "Guyana" refers to the English colony which is one of our neighbours- and Northern Brazil. As a philosophy, I choose to not speak of things I do not know or have a knowledge of, and the way you speak of French colonialism as if it were clearly "a net plus" is rather astounding.
You clearly don't know a thing about the economic or agrarian situation in French Guiana, which is supposed to be so much better than in Northern Brazil : that's really NOT THE CASE. I was born in French Guiana, grew up there, came here in Paris to study when I was 18 : racism is something you feel, something you see, it's a reality. I'm white and have curly hair : my mother is brazilian, my grandma is white-skinned (of Amerindian and Italian background, like many brazilians) and my grandfather was black. But inspite of it, even though I'm not dark-skinned like some other Guianese, there are still prejudices towards people who come from these oversea colonies, whether some people make some remark about our accent (each oversea department has a specific creole but we all speak French, more correctly sometimes than those coming from the "banlieues") or the way girls coming from these regions are expected to be easier than the French girls (that being because we love dancing - when you see things for yourself, really, it's rather the otherway around).
About the economy in French Guiana and Northern Brazil, since I come from both these regions, I really don't see where the "net plus" is located. French Guiana was used as a colony where convicts where sent, before that the French tried to expand sugar plantations in the territory, but the thing is that the soil in F. Guiana is not rich in minerals at all : it's an acidic soil, not very fertile, it takes a lot to make things grow here. NOrthern Brazil has a plus in that category compared to French Guiana. Another thing is that the agrarian system is not developed in the least in my native region : France sends little money to that effect, and what is sent is more often than not misused by our politics. Plus, if there is any agriculture at all in F. Guiana, it's all thanks to immigration : any Guianese will tell you that if it wasn't for the Hmongs refugees that France sent to Guiana, there would be no agriculture at all in the department (there is a Hmong village, Cacao, which supplies most of Cayenne and other surrounding cities in all types of vegetables). That is seen daily, when you go to the "marché" on wednesdays or sundays they are the ones selling what they have harvested.
There is no net plus in F. Guiana, believe me. Some might disagree using numbers coming from god knows where, but really, when you see things for yourself, Cayenne is, all in all, a Latin-American city which in some aspects, and when you see the not-so-touristic places of our "capital", very reminiscent of La Havana or any "bairro" in Northern Brazil. Belém do Para is a bigger and more developed city than anyone you might visit in F. Guiana, and the agriculture there is richer than in our little region. French Guiana is exploited for its location (Kourou being from where the Europeans launch their satelites), for its gold (but that is something which one day, will come to an end) and, recently, when oil was discovered on our shores, France took a renewed interest in our department. But all that hides the fact that we are still much behind France's growth, since France does not allow us to trade with countries from our region (Carribean/ Latin-America) : as an example, French Guiana is not allowed to buy petrol from Trinidad and Tobago, which would be less expensive for us, instead, we have to make it come from France.
France chose to colonize, and its colonization was not gentler are more benefic for those territories than for those exploited by Britain. In the 1950s-60s, it chose to call for immigrants because it needed more workers. Immigration has done more good to France than anything else, but like always, immigrants are the perfect scapegoats in times of crisis.

Would you call the Qebequois xenophobic and national when they defend their language?

It's the same for the French they defend their culture against globalisation, which want to make one sort of Mensch, corveable and malleable to the financial masters !

hmm which vengeance of the late nineteen century are you thinking about?

Paris was the world cultural center then

yes, it's political correctness !

It's the case of any country that doesn't want to be colonised.

By 1934, Before Leon Blum and the Popular Front, the French started the Far Right Movements that were anti-foreigners and anti- left. A lot of mayhem was committed by them across France.

One has a culture and a piece of land before one has a language. It is not the defense of a language the issue here with Quebec but of a land and a culture. When you are a part of a greater nation such as the Scots are in Britain yes, it is xenophobic to try for independence. But being xenophobic is not an evil. But it may not be a virtue either when part of a greater nation that bestows its benefits to all equally. France's non large metropolis populations have been just as xenophobic as most European agricultural communities. It goes with land ownership and crops creation.

so, it's the snake that eats its tail

now you become a global anti-immigrant ''activist'' ? i would like to hear a few new ''perspectives'' from you a global anti-immigrant ''activist'' about Hitler.

btw, i do not want to get you more worried about the immigrants, but the global warming will soon make people , especially in africa, immigrate to the north, especially to europe; so you should start to get used to it; but as i said in past they did dig their land to feed France, now or in near future they will need to feed their childeren in France; it will always France to which immigrants will flock, cuz it is only France that changed their culture and language into something similar to french one while they were exploiting their land. so why are you making it big deal that they contibute their own african life to your(french) culture or language? isn't it fair ? in modern world it is called interaction, right? i would also get you relaxed a little bit and say that the president of USA is of Africa, and he is doing his best for USA, so it is good thing to welcome immigrants, maybe they will serve your country better than you, ha?

what can i say to you?! you see them as ''scapegoats'' , your comment got me perplexed; and started me to think that your comment is the missing point in this artice about the severness of the situation in france. i hope you will not be the next canditate for elysee .

BS

this must be your favorite word recently; i think your brain has given up his responsibilty; and it seems your emotion has taken over the responsibilty...which means...

Well, you didn't understand a single world of what I said. Maybe the French's assimlation policy isn't right, but that is another matter. I just wanted you to understand that you can not deal with the immgration issue by saying that it is fair to France. Maybe it is, but I don't think immigrants come to France to make the country pay back for what they did to their country. Immigration is not a choice in most of the cases, they would rather stay in their country. As the French's plunder of its colony I think you should better read some books about the question, do not be that manichean. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not praising colonization, and I'm not anti immigration (did you read what I wrote? It's a chance), but I can't let you explain this issue, if it really is an issue (I don't think so), by a colonization past. Be moderate please.

Well, you didn't understand a single world of what I said. Maybe the French's assimlation policy isn't right, but that is another matter. I just wanted you to understand that you can not deal with the immgration issue by saying that it is fair to France. Maybe it is, but I don't think immigrants come to France to make the country pay back for what they did to their country. Immigration is not a choice in most of the cases, they would rather stay in their country. As the French's plunder of its colony I think you should better read some books about the question, do not be that manichean. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not praising colonization, and I'm not anti immigration (did you read what I wrote? It's a chance), but I can't let you explain this issue, if it really is an issue (I don't think so), by a colonization past. Be moderate please.

Since when we changed the roles? i have no problem with immigrants going to France, therefore no need/intention to solve it; it is you having problem with that; and it is you calling those people ''scapegoats''; it seems your way of dealing with immigrants is far more worse than the ''issue'' ( as you called), and thats why i told that i hope you would not be the next candidate for elysee.

i have no intention to visit your library to educate myself; cuz the color of your books are very much similar; for example, i cannot see the difference between you and Marie.Claude. i guess Marie.Claude has a pass card to your library.

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for the subtext of your last comment, i start to think you are kidding with me; and my intelligence; otherwise you would not have written those words that are ironically contradicting the meaning behind it.

It seems that using the word scapegoat perturbed you, I just use it to highlight the fact that in France history whenever a crisis appeared some people put the fault back on immigrants. It was the case in the 1930s, and it's the case in 2012. Because it's easier for people who haven't the ability to realize what are the real problems, to say it's only because of immigration.
I never said you had a problem with immigrants, I'm just saying that I think your analysis is a little short.
And I'd be interested to know what made you think I have a problem with immigrants.
As to my library I do not intend to educate you, but it is sometimes good to widen our knowledge by reading things you may not agree with.

and yours is under automatic pilot !

Good point, Leyley. Actually, the real issue is not immigration per se. Actually the real issue is the failure of the capitalist model. For the past 60 years or so, we are seeing a few decades of prosperity (when immigrants are welcomed). This is normally followed by a few decades of recession (when there is unemployment). This unemployment cause resentment against the immigrants. But the actual problem is the capitalist model. A more stable economic model needs to be created - i.e., without this boom-and-bust cycle!!!

More drivel from our socialist wannabes. Capitalism has it's warts but the alternatives are all worse. Communism/Socialism is a complete bust because if fails to reward innovation or hard work and leads to elitism of the highest order. The communist/socialist elites that we see running all around the world are no different than the Oligarchs, Monarchs, or Mandarins of yesteryear. The intellectual/elitest left always pretends to be concerned with the downtrodden, the poor, or the bereft but they all seem to end up fabulously wealthy. I wonder how they manage that while dedicating themselves to helping out the disadvantaged. I find it interesting how serving the uneducated unwashed masses can turn out to be so profitable.

I may be a liberal, but I am not in favour of communist economics. It is a failed model. However, the problem of high volatility in the capitalist model needs to be addressed. Likewise, the issue of huge inequalities - e.g., some of the issues raised by the Occupy Wall Street movement. At a governmental level, I am against large deficits. In the case of the USA, a very large surplus left by the Clinton administration was completely erroded by the Bush administration. A bad foreign policy can have huge economic consequences!!!

The problem is not immigrants who knew the french empire with its greatness and pitfalls, they're almost all dead.It's their french offspring who despite their failing at school have irrealistic expectations, and try to find justification to their violence from rap culture, jihad or racism (real or imaginary)

Have you read the article? the article asks ''Are 18% of French people racist? ''

... but you tell me quite the opposite; however, lets follow your path, The offsprings have parents who had no chance to go to school or hardly gone before or after immigration; due to this or their negligence the parents could not pay enough attention to their childeren; so the childeren become how you describe them in your comment.

at the same time ''native'' french are very well-educated, they have a good job with a good salary and bonus; however, interestingly, they are, like the immigrant parents with no education and with negligence, ignoring the others in their society, paying no attention to give them a life as good as theirs; and instead they are giving their votes to a woman who are against those immigrants and their offsprings; cuz they are in rap culture, jihad or racism (real or imaginary) ...wait a minute...

while writing this comment, in somewhere i got confused, please tell me the place i started to get confused.

Being given the failure of algerian agriculture after the non-muslim population was forced to flee, Algeria is effectively fed by agricultural exports from France (and the EU among others)

Limbaugh still have some sarcastic humor and the sense of the formules

"He goes to far at times"

That is true, if by at times all the time. Going too far is just giving his idiot audience what they want to hear.

"I can be anti-nazi but not anti-german."

Can you say the same for Nazi-Germany?
I don't think so!

So typical! conflating between the two. Well not all Germans were Nazi neither all Nazis were Germans in the 1930's, or even today.

Islam is a religion no one says it is a race , a race id from the tribes of the small villages , When you talk big you talk of religion or atheism, but definitely not race. or tribe if that is the rephrase of your remarks I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

I fail to understand this phrase can you please elaborate I will appreciate this "Islam is an ideology not a race" I thank yo0u Firozali A.Mulla DBA

I am so glad you made that sensible point. Islam is an ideology, faith and culture which is open to all. It is perfectly possible to dislike Islam and its ideology and culture, without being a racist at all!

No, I am not saying that Muslims are exclusively on welfare. But it is this draining of society's resources combined with their need to push their values into the system. There is a difference between embracing various cultures and then bowing down to them.

It is possible to celebrate different heritages and also probably welcome in Western countries but it's when many Muslims take on this holier-than-thou attitude and think that their new country should take on their traditions and values.

For example, in Italy they had to remove crosses from an elementary school because it was offending Muslims. Are you kidding me? If you move to a country that has strong Catholic roots, of course they will have crosses up in the schools! Why move to a Western country to complain about everything except the welfare system?

I can't tell about Italy, but something similar happened in France.
Comparing to England, France's state fundamentally splitted from religion. This come from a revolutionary tradition as the Church has always been seen as colluding with royalty and thus, an enemy to democracy.
Now we still have a strong catholic culture. However, we have to deal with other faiths, as they come from immigration (Islam) or not (Jewish for instance). So how can we still be laic an ban ostentatory religious clothing and signs if we ourselves do not get rid of christian crosses in our state schools?
Personaly, I do not agree with that, but that's the main difference between England and France. England keeps religion as a matter of state whereas France doesn't.
People in France are afraid of religious extremism and as you said, and on welfare abuses by foreigners. However, this is not accurate (immigrants are actually creating more wealth, there are some reccently issued numbers on a French newspaper's website: http://www.20minutes.fr/economie/722873-immigres-rapportent-plus-coutent... )nor is it relevant to the problem (honestly, what does it have to do with what is going on in the Middle East?).
Le Pen's plan is going to fail, because people actually living on welfare states have the French nationality (whether they are from muslim confession or not) so they are not going to kick them out anyway. She is just playing the populist card and gaining votes by saying what people want to hear, but her projects are vain and even dangerous to some extent (as a woman, I am very afraid of her point of view on gender equality).
I'm sorry if I'm not clear, English is not my mothertongue, but I try to analyze the situation and provide you with the information I have from an insider's point of view. I hope it helps.

I am not sure if this remark is clear to me "Do you think muslim have the monopoly on profiting from welfare system?" Muslims cannot have monopoly in any region except in the Arab or Muslim world. Put simply IS MUSLIM IN SPITE OF BEING IN UK have monopoly on the fiances , say what they want to say? No? May be if it is Malaysia or some other state like Bangladesh yes it is possible but France? No way I thank you Firozali A.Mulla DBA

Muslims are not a homogenous group, therefore they are not the single burden on social welfare. However, as a group they show a tendency towards less education, discrimination of their own women and a refusal of modern secular values. This combined makes the muslim population as a whole more of a burden on society's fabric than other groups. This combined with native alienation has led to social tension not just in France but in nearly every Western European country.

come on, do you think that there are 5 generations of muslims, since they came over in the seventies ? I would rather say 3 generations, and these former immigrants aren't the problem, it's the newcommers, that aren't wished !

hmm the suburbs were built in urgency, after WW2, first for the French, like the soviet model of suburbs, ispired by the Corbusier's architecture in concrete, who was communist, like Castro the last architect of these kinds of suburbs

http://euro-synergies.hautetfort.com/architecture_urbanisme/

There have'nt been true city policies, just make-ups !

"Religious extremism is an answer to the state's carelessness towards them"

BS, religious extremism has been introduced by imams from Salafist countries such as Saudi Arabia, and the Brotherhood of egyps. The Maghrein were rather practicing a soft islam, influenced by Malekism

Tell me how many of our muslims are islamists?

200 000, and they who want to subjugate the other Muslims, by their political islam.

France has not been putting them in "ghettos" (heavily subsidised).Some young people have turned some residential suburbs into lawless areas, where the Police are welcomed with stones (weapons are not far behind).Nobody wants to live there including many immigrant families who are the first victims, and now sometimes send their kids to catholic schools, as these same young people have made government schools a hell for professors (a bunch of whores and fags) and classmates.

happened way earlier about the same time the khazars stopped the progression of islam north of Elbrouz 740AD or 126 if prefer Mecca International Time.

What is your point?? Several decades ago, a general called Gen. Giap defeated the French forces in Viet Nam. A few decades later, the same general defeated the USA. Now the Far East is booming and American, French aand British companies are standing in line to do business in those countries. By you logic, should all Asian countries refuse to do business with all ex-imperialist countries and the USA???

"So many islamophobic francos here!"

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...and you are francophobic islamist - no doubt.

I am an atheist!
Yes I have to confess that I am very much disgusted by religious bigots like you. This is 21st century. There is no place for ignorant cathedral donkeys. It's time to get over your religious bias. Only infereior people show extreme racism these days.

Sikko6, you are Chechen and they are usually not atheist but big M!

Well said.

In due time The Figaro newspoaper will give good coverage to marine le pen ideas and eveflatter her when she'll emerge as the only ideologist leff on UMPs dead body.