JUST up the street from me at the moment, on the corner of the Bernauerstrasse, is a massive photo-mural depicting the same street corner on an August day in 1961: a snapshot of Hans Conrad Schumann, an East German soldier, hurdling the barbed wire on top of the still-under-construction Berlin Wall to get to the West, and freedom. In those days, the stakes that led communist regimes to construct obstacles to emigration were clear: they were afraid that combined envy of the West's prosperity and, to a lesser extent, its intellectual and religious freedom would lead huge masses of their citizens to flee abroad. That, obviously, is not an anxiety that affects today's Chinese Communist regime. The fact that China does not fear that any sign of openness will lead large numbers of its citizens to emigrate is one background factor behind Beijing's apparent willingness to reach a face-saving agreement to allow dissident lawyer Chen Guangcheng to apply to "study" in the United States.
The thing that has surprised me from the beginning of the drama is that it could possibly take place. We still don't know how Mr Chen managed to get from his village to the American embassy, but it seems extraordinary that the Chinese could have allowed a high-profile dissident to escape, could have lost track of him after his escape, or could have allowed him to approach the embassy to ask for asylum. On a couple of occasions during the time I spent in Vietnam, dissidents made surprise, unauthorised contact with American personnel at the embassy or ambassador's residence, but secret police stationed on the street nearby intervened extremely rapidly. In general, police seemed to know beforehand when dissidents were likely to stage such moves. That knowledge turned the relationship between dissidents, the regime, and the US government into a sort of choreographed dance, with limits drawn and signals sent based on mutual interest in avoiding embarrassment over declared positions. So it's not surprising that the result of the Chen Guangcheng drama looks likely to be one that allows America to maintain it has been true to its commitment to defending freedom of conscience, and also allows China to maintain it has not allowed Mr Chen to flee and claim political asylum.
That's not that different from the way things operated in the old days. The relationship between communist states and America around dissidents has always been a bit of a dance. What's changed is that America's interest in protecting dissidents is no longer a matter of either economic or strategic self-interest. China is not a military foe, or an enemy of capitalism; it's our largest trading partner. And now I'm going to go out on a limb and say something rather gushy and perhaps obnoxiously self-congratulatory: The fact that China is not our enemy makes our continued commitment to defending freedom of conscience for Chinese citizens all the more laudable. We really have nothing to gain from protecting Chen Guangcheng, except that it lets us give ourselves a pat on the back and walk down the street feeling all free and democratic. So let's! Sure, as William Dobson points out, China is probably just as interested in getting rid of Mr Chen as we are in protecting him. And sure, immigrants these days tend to come more because they're tired, poor and hungry than because they're yearning to breathe free, and Chinese citizens these days are less interested in coming to America precisely because the path to middle-class security probably leads through Guangdong rather than Los Angeles. Still, when that rare individual comes along who really considers the freedom thing more important than the wealth thing, we apparently still feel honour-bound to do something for him. And that's a nice thing.
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Just last week, I said goodbye to a lovely young Chinese professional couple who had been renting a property of mine. They were educated, gracious, responsible people who would be a credit to any nation. But they did not like driving and traffic in America, and they felt their careers would be better served in China. And get this, they said China is more fun. They also said the majority of their Chinese expat friends had or were seriously considering returning too. Sure they could breed like rabbits here, and if they naturalized they could vote for the red pol or the blue one. But apparently, in life there are other things.
So while I share with MS the belief that America can justly claim world leadership in certain cultural attributes like freedom and creativity, we would be very wrong to assume that all 1.3 billion Chinese or 7 billion humans really just want to be like us. In the new multipolar world order, the quickest way to lose the race is to assume you've already crossed the finish line.
Was that a joke about how Asians can't drive?
Perhaps more about "breeding like rabbits here"? Here meaning USA?
i can't agree more,as a chinese citizen, we may not have the right to vote,butmost chinese people don't care much about the politics,and there are still a lot of good things we like in this country,ie,the relatively peaceful life, beatiful scenery,friendly people,the united states thinks they have the most democratic social sysytem,and you are proud of it,but it may be not suitable for the people in the other areas in the world, just like people may have different ways of life.
China is not the US' largest trading partner. That would be Canada.
I can buy Chen managed to slip past his minders and make it to the embassy. What interests me more is what happened afterward. When he was released to chinese custody they could of easily silenced him, but instead allowed him to vent his grievances via phone to Congress and the press. It made us look bad and cost little PR wise in China (the blogsphere is probably up on things, but everybody else consumes state approved media).
I'm curious what Clinton's agenda was on this last trip to China. If it was unpleasant (Yuan, Tibet, disputed off shore oil claims, heightened military tensions in the SE pacific), I'm guessing this was a extremely convenient distraction. Plus Chen is on the cover of this magazine's latest periodical, not Bo Xilai, his top cop, his wife, or the ex-mi6 guy they probably knocked off.
Try not to see too much into Chen Guangcheng wanting to come to the USA, his motives, or what his character might be. Although we share the very same characteristics of human nature with the mainland Chinese; our respective histories are vastly different. Our histories shape our actions.
However also, at first sight, his most notable advocacy against forced abortion is commendable. Everything else will become apparent with time.
And much more vastly commendable would be someone who advocated reducing (or eliminating) abortion in China -> "SHANGHAI -- There are at least 13 million abortions a year in China compared to 20 million live births, according to the official China Daily newspaper."
I am not a politician. I don't understand politics. I only know a little bit about people. Thank you, MS, for this article, for everything you said in it. Yes, American deserves a pat on the back, in addition to two hugs on the shoulders and three kisses on the cheeks.
As bampbs (first to comment on this post) said: Go ahead and gush. America's ideals are worthy, and Americans even manage to live up to them now and then.
Like MS, the thing that has surprised me from the beginning of the Chen saga is that it could take place. First, the escape took place. Then, the agreement took place. Chen is now given a visa to enter US as a student. According to two Chinese papers I read, there were rumors/speculations that Wen engineered the escape since it was extremely implausible that Chen was not noticed missing in his house until 4 days after he went missing, despite the fact that there were four surveillance camera installed in his house and guard watch was 24/7. Someone high up must have ordered the local guards to look the other way. There were also rumors that Zhou, Chief of Police in central government, Bo's partner in corruption and high crimes (now both out), was the figure responsible for giving the go-ahead years ago in Chen's imprisonment and later house arrest. Since Chen's first video released immediately after the escape (see post under Analects) consisted of a speech appealing DIRECTLY to Wen for help to protect his wife, sons and elderly mother from the local guards/thugs, it appears likely there is a grain of truth in the rumors. The papers also reported Chen changed his mind a at least twice about his own plan, first wanting to leave Shandong but remain in China, then move to Beijing, but when he got word his wife’s life was threatened, he asked to leave the country altogether.
It is probably true too, as William Dobson in MS’s article pointed out, that China is just as interested in getting rid of Mr Chen as US is in protecting him. Both have planned the dialogue on economic development months ago before this drama erupted. They don't need it to further derail their focus.
But my purpose in posting this comment is to say Thank You to you all who posted in support of US's action and China's action. I am Chinese by birth. I am a naturalized US citizen. I love America. I have a long personal story about how I came to become American. It began two generations before me. Hopefully I will get to tell it in a book before I kick the bucket. But this small bit I want to tell Doug, bampbs, Konker, jouris, Faedrus, hedgy and some others whose posts I don’t read as often as theirs here in DiA: I must have been the only person in law school history who cried unstoppably in one Con Law class where we went over Chief Justice Stone's opinion on a First Amendment case. As a shrink (I also have a doctorate in Psych besides my JD), I want to say the First Amendment, America’s gift to the world, isn't just about the freedom of speech, it is about the freedom to think before there can be speech, and ultimately the freedom to be. So I thank this country, and I thank you all.
Chen will have a lot to learn about America. Some of it as good as the books say; some not. Some of it wonderful; some sad. Like everything real in life, nothing is perfect. But I have personally known wonderful people whose national identity is American.
I am a politically naïve person. I don’t know politics. I only know a little bit about people.
I do not have the exact numbers and statistics. But I am pretty sure I am not far from the mark. Many US universities, from Ivy Leagues to state universities, now admit a large number of foreign students from China. The reason is the students meet thier college entrance requirements, and their parents can afford to pay full tuition and fees. No financial aid is involved. For the students, in terms of getting into universities, it is much easier to be admitted to a US college than Beijing U or Qinhua. In terms of immigration, INS has strict rules. Immigrants from China are, unlike the last two generations, mostly well to do folks, not poor any more. They buy real estate and they pay US taxes.
Good for you, Ash - you made it out, and maybe Chen will join you soon. What about all the millions left behind? They can't all emulate you and Chen and run away to a place free from the influence of their fellow Han, can they?
Don't you think it might make some sense - and do a lot of good for a lot more people - if both you and Chen worked on changing things in China rather than hiding-out in the States?
Thanks, Ashbird. Glad you're here. Not in California, are you? I could probably use a good psychiatrist/lawyer.
MrRFox, I think there's no better example of what liberty is for than the freedom to consider yourself without always needing to consider the nation. I never found individualism and patriotism to be an impossible conflict. Besides, all of us Americans are or are descended from people who chose to be Americans instead of some other nation of birth.
Doug:
Thank you for your kind replies, some of which are no longer
here! Strange. Seeing that there was nothing about them that violated any comment rules, maybe we are experiencing, in vivo, the "some not so good", "some sad" aspect of Amercan life.
In any case, how's the weather there today? I feel like quoting May West. :)
Again, thank you for your kind words.
MrRFox,
Your comment is startling to me. You talked like you had known everything there is to be known, about me, about China, about the world, even about America itself.
No. I don't think what you said makes any sense. Here's why:
Has it ever occurred to you that there are Chinese people in America too if I want to do a lot of good??
Has it ever occurred to you that I am not "hiding" in America but instead I go between the two countries freely and as I please, welcome by both, doing plenty of good for both?
Has it ever occurred to you your understanding of China contains mostly fiction and myths, most times to the point of embarrassment for someone who knows? So that as you continue to rant your hatred and odd sense of justified proprietorship of the entire country of America (was your great great grand-dad General Washington?), other folks who do real work continue to go about it, WORK referring to the real business of assisting real people to gain a real measure of comfort in their real lives?
In my work, I not only "help" (I don't like this word, as it is condescending. I use it for your benefit) yellow people, I help whites, blacks, browns and all in betweens. A lot of work I do is pro bono. Does it satisfy you that I pay taxes and help white folks free of charge as a citizen of America? The majority of my pro bono work is with the homeless in America. Take a look at them. Have you ever done that? Most of them are your skin color (I do assume you are white for some reason, because of the way you talk) and have blue eyes. They haven’t eaten for days, bathed for months (sometimes years) and they have no one to give them a chance to go back to where they started. Many of them want to kill themselves. What have you done for them in the “safe haven of America” where, according to you, I “hide”? While you keep ranting (I have read you many times elsewhere on TE) your peculiar brand of bitter envy of those better than you and putrid hatred of those in need, do you have any objection that I help the white-skin by not living in a shiny highrise in Shanghai? Oh! I forgot, the wrongfully convicted white folks too, sentenced to capital punishment, or 25-years for a crime no larger than what Chen was locked up 5 years for. . Do you have any objection I stick around in America to help in such cases?
A wise man said, in so far as what we can see as what is real, we all are like frogs looking at the sky from the bottom of a well. This is very true. Very wise. But there are differences in the measurement of the diameter of each person’s well. What do you estimate is the measurement of the diameter of your well?
Everybody is happy that Chen is leaving China - the Reds are happy - they want agitators for justice like him gone or dead. The US government is happy - they just want to get on with what they care about - which has nothing at all to do with justice, so they want Chen gone too. Ash is happy that yet another Chinese managed (maybe) to escape the embrace of mother China, and put an end to this justice and democracy agitation nonsense.
How about the people left behind in China - are they happy that one of the few individuals who stayed and resisted and bravely asserted the case for justice in China has been silenced and double-crossed and treated with indifference by the US and will be shortly shipped off to exile at NYU. IDTS. None of this works for them - but who gives a .... I guess if nobody else does, I shouldn't either. So, fuck them.
If the brave and capable like you and Chen come to US and make it a better place, who's going to make China a better place? The need for improvement is more acute there than it is in the US, isn't it?
And since you ask, yes, I do a great deal of pro bono - like the last two years solid - full time. And OBTW, I don't live in the US - I'm a lot closer to China than you seem to be.
MrRFox,
Thanks for your reply.
For the record, you put words in my mouth as well as Doug's. Exactly what those words are, they are self-evident in what you wrote, what I wrote and what he wrote.
I am glad you are offering your bit to help the world be a better place - last two years, solid, full time. I am not full time, as in the midst of it, I have to earn a living and from it pay my taxes.
I don't understand anything you said about China. It does seem your info, even your vocab (e.g. the "Reds") are a wee-bit out-of-date.
All notwithstanding, I believe there exist a fundamental difference between us. The difference is found in our respective world views. I do not share your world view which is encapsulated in these forever famous words, "You are either for us, or against us." . My own thought is that the idea embodied in those words is too divisive to be of any real use to real people except for politicians in the middle of an election season. After the season is over, even they forget those words.
So I believe we have different world views. Additionally, re the Q of justice, to me, justice is not selective - more for some, less for others kind of thing. It is not something carried out along a paradigm that says whoever bullies most effectively, efficiently, and innocuously gets the most justice. This is a larger topic on which I do not have time to expound on at the moment. Suffice it to point out: Read history, from colonialism to reactions to colonialism - there is more drama inside just those two events in world history than 1000 Tolstoy can portray in ten thousand more War and Peace.
You sound like you want to do a lot for the Chinese people. That's great. (I sincerely mean this). A good place to start is to get to know them first and find out what they want and what works for them, not what you want and what works for you. I do this for the white folks who come under my care and they appreciate it because it works.
All my best.
PS: I won't be replying any more as I have fee-earning, food on the table kind of work to do the rest of the day.
"You sound like you want to do a lot for the Chinese people. That's great. (I sincerely mean this)."
Thank you for your generous words. Please don't give me more credit than I deserve - which is precious little. I understand that it's for the people of China to determine what happens in China. And it is for the people of the US like me to be vigilant of our own government and call it out when it becomes complicit in the wrongs of others, as it most certainly was and is in the matter of Mr. Chen and the matter of its enabling embrace of the Red regime.
" I am a politically naïve person. I don’t know politics. I only know a little bit about people."
That is all one can know - if one pays attention...
" Man is the measure of all things: of things which are, that they are, and of things which are not, that they are not."
-Protagoras
And it is for the people of the US like me to be vigilant of our own government and call it out when it becomes complicit in the wrongs of others, as it most certainly was and is in the matter of Mr. Chen and the matter of its enabling embrace of the Red regime.
I see.
Thanks for the exchange. I learned from it.
Nice quote, Garaboncias! Thanks!
I should do remedial work though. For crying out loud, I am voting! I made a mistake two elections ago I shall never forgive myself for!
Doug,
I think there's no better example of what liberty is for than the freedom to consider yourself without always needing to consider the nation. I never found individualism and patriotism to be an impossible conflict.
My own thought on patriotism is that it affords an individual an identity by tying him to the name of a country.
Individualism similarly affords an individual an identity. But the identity it affords includes a great deal more than the name of a country. Individualism encompasses a person’s personal history, the culture he bears, the family he grew up in, the places (literal and figurative) he has seen, and last but not least, any empathy he might have for people and peoples who share similar struggles within the narrow confines of a single lifespan. . All of those things meld into one to form an individual’s “individual identity”.
Individual identity functions as an umbrella that provides shade and shelter for the values the individual holds and lives by, patriotism among one.
I have observed that patriotism is far from a homogenized thing as judged by people inside or outside a given country. It is, surprisingly, completely individualized. This can be seen in how the same act in same context can be seen as patriotic and therefore praiseworthy by some, and unpatriotic and therefore revolting by others (to the ppoint it "gags"). The Chen case sheds light on that.
The point is individual identity dictates the direction patriotism goes. Not the other way around.
I have thought about ideologies a lot. Ideologies to me have always confused more than they enlighten. This is because they all claim to provide the right answer even as they all propose different solutions to the same problem, and none solves the problem . Worse, they make people fight. Like Sisyphus’ rock, they fight and fight and fight, making endless trips up the hill, except they never reach the top.
Finally, I tired of sorting the puzzle, and I said, even as it was just to myself, ""To hell with ideologies. Let me just do what makes sense, what works, what I am best at doing, and if anyone wants to label that idea too, let it be 'noismism'". So that’s the long and short of my wrestle with patriotism and individualism.
I gave you short shrift in my last reply. I did not have the time I needed to organize my thoughts on the subject. It is not an easy subject, subjectively or objectively speaking. But there – I finally wrote it up. I think in another century or two if not sooner, patriotism will drop off altogether as an unfit limb in the continual survival of the human race. It will do that because it ill fits the rapid process of globalization on all levels of human intercourse (world economy is just the start), and it is not worth the trouble it causes. By troubles, I mean the time wasted in fighting about what divides rather than time gained in seeing what connects.
Thank you for your straight and forthright words of acceptance (“…join us”). To me that exemplifies the best of any people, whatever the name of the country.
The Tollbooth book is still on top in one of the piles. Will read. And Oh you were correct I am not in Iceland. :)
One of the more famous moments in US-China relations (particularly among Chinese) is when Carter told Deng Xiaoping that he should allow free emigration, and Deng responded "Fine, how many do you want? 10 million?" The US was no longer interested in following this line of conversation.
I'm under the impression from this post that MS isn't really following the Chen story very closely. Chen was put under house arrest by the local government, not the Central government, though it is unlikely that the central government didn't sign off on it, operational capability is very different when you are talking about a village police department or the security apparatus of the central government. Chen has actually won several of the cases he's stood for when it's been framed in the context of "local government overreach" and not systematic corruption, and it seems more or less clear that the central government's problem with Chen is not so much the positions he stands against, but more his self labeling as a dissident. That they wouldn't particularly pay attention if he escaped, and that they would be happy for him to leave, seems pretty consistent.
If only Wang Lijun knew to hook up with ChinaAid.
This is a pretty naive view of the events.
It could even be that the whole Guangcheng Chen "little escapade" was partly "orchestrated" by the Chinese government to distract attention from the "Great Purge" of Xilai Bo and his Gang.
I would like to know what Chen (soon to be an NYU scholar?) thinks about Bo and the "handsomes" in China. In America, you are allowed to speak freely, no?
But you still hate America, right?
Sure. Anybody (including thou and I, as well as Matt) who ever disagrees in the slightest with the self-appointed guardians of "real America" is, by their definition, someone who hates America. In short, according to them, hating American is about as exclusive as getting wet in a rain storm.
only for our freedoms.
Doug, Please do me the honor of reading my post @May 7.
It's no honor, but I'll do you the request.
Oh, today is May 7. I just did if you mean the more recent one in the thread. Very touching. Like I said, I'm glad you could join us.
I wish Mr. Chen were able to see, so that he could observe in-full just how different one government is from another.
Having said that, evolutionary pressures on any given government are always in short supply, and the one sure source for them is from other governments. So the real thing is not about who is better, or who is prettier, but about competition, which is a force to achieve better government. In that sense, the US government plays a part of the role of domestic opposition to China's government. Its existence is more significant than what the U.S has to say or what kind of enlightened messages it proclaims to offer to the world.
Here in Asia things look a bit different. Chen himself said by phone that U.S. officials promised to stay with him while he was in hospital being treated for a foot fracture but the minute he turned his back they disappeared. It was clear from the beginning that the U.S. was looking for a way to wash its hands of Chen because he was exposing its moral bankruptcy in the face of tyranny.
This piece makes me want to gag. What's the title of your blog, MS? - "Democracy In America", isn't it? What about democracy and justice anywhere else - off your radar screen, is it? China's not our enemy - yet - but the Red regime certainly is on an ethical level. Of course, to the amoral types at State, ethics, principle and just plain living with the face that looks back at you in the mirror is off their radar screens.
Chen's fighting for justice and principle in his country; that we - and you, chump - just want to sweep that all under the rug and make these embarrassing situations go away so we can go on making nice with tyrants brings shame to us all.
We had an opportunity handed to us by brave and clever Mr. Chen to demonstrate that we are better people than those who look at every situation and ask first and last - "What's in it for me?". We walked away from it. Shame.
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An American book confirmed that the USA only became a democracy in 1965 --- when the "Civil Right Act" gave the Afro-Americans the right to vote
Prior to 1965 -- the Afro-Americans dd not have the right to vote--- although they made up 10% of the population
At the height of the "COLD-WAR" 1947-1965 -- the USA boasted to the world that it was the "land of the Free" and "Champion of Democracy" when
(1) Blacks were not given the right to vote
(2) Blacks were segregated into ghettos and could not use "Whites Only" toilets, drinking fountains, restaurants, clubs, and had to sit at the back of the bus
(3) there were anti-miscegenation laws that banned the inter=marriages between Whites and Blacks as well as between Whites and Native-Americans
BUT of course, -- the rest of the world knew the truth
Your commentary also assume that you think that the rest of the world are happy with the news coming out of Afghanistan that
(1) US troops are pissing their urine on the corpses of the Taliban fighters
(2) that the US army is burning copies of the Koran
(3) that a single US soldier can go around shooting innocent women and children
Please face the truth --- for a change
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Yor're right, Windy - I see the light now. The US hasn't been a perfect democracy or model of justice, and naturally that means justice and democracy are tainted and unfit for anyone - especially Chinese. Thanks for setting me straight.
So you believe Mr. Chen was in a better position to advocate and push for change in China under house arrest and constant guard, instead of in America with an open microphone?
And would advocating for China to be our enemy truly be better for the Chinese people, as you say? If we stand by our morals, unwavering, and instead pull all our business away from China and push towards war, do you truly think that would help the average Chinese person?
I'm not saying all is well in the state of China, far from it. You walk through Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin and you see the progress being made. Then you visit Lhasa and you see armed thugs on every street corner and rooftop in the main market, insuring there is "stability" for the Han Chinese they are importing to dilute the native population.
But cutting them off entirely will just doom the entire population, rather than just a portion. And that portion, as the tide in China rises, becomes smaller by the year. And as more Chinese become wealthier with more to lose, there will be more power and ability for them to change their government.
The Western embrace of the Red regime perpetuates it in power. We are as complicit and guilty as the regime itself in its crimes in China and Tibet and wherever it makes its malignant influence felt in the world - Iran, Zimbabwe and Syria being front-burner examples.
Mr. Chen gave us the opportunity to be seen to stand with those who seek justice, but Madame Sec-State couldn't be bothered to even see him. She was too busy standing soulder-to-shoulder and all smiles with the thugs who do the repressing.
Mr. Chen has done more than his share to bring justice to China. Wish I could same the same about my own government and people.
It's great that The Economist has Chen on the front page. It would be greater still if it could do the same for Bradley Manning. Why do I have the feeling that is not going to happen ?
I forget where I read this...but I did read somewhere that china is expecting apology from the united states because Chinese intelligence supposedly found out that it was American CIA who helped Chen escape....true story?
Whenever anyone in another country does something that their government doesn't like, it is "supposedly found out that it was American CIA" which was behind it all.
Which is believable only if you have a far, far higher opinion of the CIA's abilities to influence events than their track record suggests is warranted. The CIA frequently does a decent job. But it is nowhere near the super-spy agency that outsiders claim it to be.
I particularly dislike the CIA conspiracy to get everyone driving the speed limit in the left lane, so I'm late for work. The CIA is also responsible for twee-pop music. It was the CIA that framed me for driving drunk. In high school, the CIA frequently ate my homework.
I can never find my car keys in the morning because the CIA keeps moving them. I also don't understand why they keep stealing my socks, and only the left one... odd.
Well, at least with that experience, you are guaranteed employment with one or another of the conspiracy-enthusiast places in the world. And they probably will be more than willing to overlook the fact that you are wearing only one sock. ;-)
Thanks, Publius. Next time some jackass city kid tailgates me and bangs his horn, I'll just holler "national security!"
It's not just "the freedom thing" - apparently they were threatening to hurt his family.
I believe that would still fall under the category of seeking freedom from violence and retribution.
"China is not a military foe, or an enemy of capitalism; it's our largest trading partner."
Actually, Canada is still our largest trading partner and China is our 2nd largest trading partner. But the gap between Canada and China is now less than a trillion dollars and closing fast.
Everything Democrats hate about Republicans just managed to free a Chinese dissident. Maybe the GOP, evangelicals, pro-lifers, and Fox News are good for something after all!
I am not plugged into minute-by-minute American politics. But I would have thought quite a lot of grassroots lefty types were behind Chen too.
Anyway, I think M.S. is right, the Americans can pat themselves on the back a little. And the praise needs to be spread around. I don't think this or any other administration would have done the right thing on it's own, it took pressure from a broad front.
It sounds to me like one more chalked up to Hillary.
For lying to him to get him to leave the embassy? I'm a Hillary fan but let's not pretend like she was standing up for freedom here. Nobody would know who Chen is if it weren't for Republicans.
Even a broken watch is correct twice a day.
It's good China apparently took it in stride. As for reciprocity, if anybody wants to defect to China, they're welcome to as far as I know.
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I knew this gardener who tried to defect to the Soviet Union during the Cold War - escape all this horrible capitalist prosperity and show solidarity with his fellow proletariat or whatever. He went across the Bering Strait, barely making it across. He managed to get to this remote outpost and proudly declared he was ready to defect. The officials didn't know what to do with him. They couldn't really understand that he actually wanted to be in the Soviet Union. Also, didn't speak Russian. Eventually, they informed him he had to go back. Then he barely made it back across. Then he went back to being a gardener.
That's still less ridiculous than occasional South Koreans and Chinese nationals of Korean descent wanting to defect to North Korea. You should look up on the topic, pretty funny stuff if it wasn't so tragic for those who actually managed to settle in North Korea (mostly before the late 80s).
The facilitators in this ChinaAid are a religious extremist group who aim to convert Chinese to Christianity and stop Chinese Christians from being persecuted. Their president Fu was such a 'persecuted' Christian.
America has always been a sink for persecuted Christians. That has been a major role since its founding. It continues in that role. Allowing the persecuted 'freedom' OF religion in America (as long as it is Christian - persecuted muslims are another matter), and allowing those that remain in their home societies the 'freedom' FROM religion. Its a win win.
Yes, freedom from blind people who try to stop forced abortions. Free at last! free at last! My [redacted], China is free at last! I don't think freedom is the freedom to not object while you are forcibly sterilized, but hey I guess there are differing opinions on the matter.
Forcing people to have abortions and be sterilized is terrible of course as is killing doctors who perform abortions, forcing women to carry to term without any freedom of choice or converting vulnerable people to Christianity just because its good for you and you think your values are better than theirs. We moved beyond the civilising mission in the 1800s.
Konker, no one needs you to protect them from saying, or believing, what they want! People may not be forcibly lobotomized either.
I do know that Americans deserve to have their freedom of conscience respected: I assume that Chinese people deserve the same respect. The Chinese government, just like the American government, cannot force people to believe what it tells them to. I think you should treat other Chinese people with the modicum of decency that is respecting their individuality.
Of course China and the USA are not enemies! No pats on the backs necessary between best friends! China's next president Jinping Xi definitely is a fan of the US education system. His daughter MingZe (or Mimi) Xi, is an MPP candidate at the "prestigious" Harvard Kennedy School of Government(sic) to learn all about Yankee-style freedom and democracy. NYU is following suit with another prominent Chinese "visiting scholar", I heard. Meanwhile the poor US kids have student loans to pay back, and having a hard time getting jobs eh? I have a p-brane, so I don't quite understand these things like why China asked the US to apologise for "harbouring" Chen in the embassy, but is not asking for any apologies from Harvard for letting MingZe Xi and Guagua Bo study there.
Hm, I heard that these rich Chinese students are paying the full tuition and some more, so they are actually subsidizing the education of American people who get scholarships and financial aid (like me when I am attending Harvard, for example). Bashing and whining about Chinese students studying in the states is getting old by the way. How about switching to a new topic?