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Iran and nuclear weapons
Sticks now, carrots later
Iran is back at the negotiating table. But trust in its diplomacy and in its theological utterances about nuclear weapons (see article) is fragile
The Islamist government of Iran will continue to manipulate the rest of the world; the manipulated being headed by the appeaser Mr. Obama whose whole thrust in government has been to bow down, figuratively and practically, to those claiming to represent enlightenment on earth: Islam.
From Obama's perspective, old, close and loyal allies can go to hell if they don't stand with him, shoulder-to-shoulder in facing enlightenment that he learned during his 20 years of "sitting under" the Rev. J. Wright of Chicago, close association with Min. L. Farakhan, and the likes of Profs. E. Said and R. Khalidi.
Let us only hope the world will not have to pay too dear a price for this approach of appeasement as the world had to pay due to Chamberline's appeasement of Nazi Germany..!!
P.S. Of some interest, when Iran's Chief of Staff, as reported by the Atlantic, called earlier this week for the annihilation of a fellow UN member state and the US's oldest, closest and most loyal ally in the region, Israel, Mr. Obama and his staff, on instruction from the White House, remained silent. And, this is the man who claimed that his commitment to Israel's security is "unshakable". One can only conclude that his commitment to the Rev. J. Wright is of much greater strength than to any other ally, worldwide.
Okay , I think we are all missing a point here ! The main concern the US has is OIL not nuclear weapons that is a fact that cannot be ignored ! Israel ? Well they just happen to be the perfect excuse for the US to execute invasion on the terms of being the protector of world peace, equality, happiness, prosperity,growth,free market,any market,oil and other products that the US is really good at protecting . So what is going to happen when its all over and there is nothing to prove yet again just like Iraq that there was no intention of Iran to have any weapons of mass destruction?
Who is going to jail then? I can tell you one thing that the two biggest war criminals are walking free, one of them being a peace ambassador for the UN good old Tony Blair! Bush ,well than one he apparently is a motivational speaker ,just imagine ! We live in such absurd world today that it really makes me wonder if the human soul does really exist or are we all just motionless ,empty greed driven beings ,politically and religiously manipulated by the system that we live in in the cocoon of false promises and imaginary safety. As it seems we are all dead on the inside and have started rolling down hill so fast that what ever is waiting at the bottom is not going to be nice.
Even if Iran backs down, will it alone bring peace to the region? The Hegemon is addicted to Wars and Creating instabilities around the world as it sees that is the only way to generate Sales and Profits to service the huge War machine.
If the US had really worry about the world stability and risk of nuclear war, they would have had to focus on Pakistan, who has already its nuclear bomb, conflict with India (who also has its own bomb), and no political stability
Who is paying for the sticks now or later? You Britain? France? The bankrupt Europe?
Iran has not attacked anyone and they are none of America's problem.
They are a problem imagined by the apartheid regime in Israel to wage unending wars and to get more money from the US
It seems a stretch to claim that Iran is in no way a problem.
We only have to look at thier long history of incendiary statements and sponsoring of terrorism...
You said: "Iran has not attacked anyone and they are none of America's problem."
LIES.
Since the Iranian Fascist Revolution … the Iranian Regime has declared itself to be the enemy of the West … it held US Embassy staff for a YEAR … Iran has funded terror groups … Hezbollah which has perpetrated acts against the USA in Lebanon in 1983 killing 299 American troops … at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia killing 20 American troops … Hezbollah has bombed a Jewish Community Center in Argentina killing innocents … the recent attempt in the USA to kill the Saudi Ambassador … Iran has supplied IED's to Iraqi insurgents killing/maiming American troops … Iran has supplied Afghani Taliban with IED's and support in order to kill/maim American troops …
The Iranians are the mortal enemy of the United States … the Iranians have said so!!!!!
Iran is fixated on the 'Big Satan' and the 'Little Satan' and ending the 'way of life' in the West …
They are an 'imagined' threat … only because they are a 'Paper Tiger' … without the ability to cause 'real harm' to Israel or America but nevertheless calling for their demise!
The Mullahs/ICRG will be taken down … a regime change is required in order to return the Iranian People to their future … There will be a war or there will be regime change or there will be BOTH!
Let the Iranian People topple their own thugs … that would be best … 'it's coming and it won't be long'!!!!!
The State of Israel should have no credibility in this issue. The State of Israel must first sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. This will make The Republic of Iran feel safer, and also support, world wide, for enforcing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, in The Republic of Iran will be boosted. Especially if the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is equally enforced in both The State of Israel and The Republic of Iran.
We all should call in one breath, for the end of The State of Israel's and Iran's nuclear programs, both to surrender of all nuclear weapons to the UN for disposal. It is sadly politically impossible in USA and Germany, to call for Israel to sign and follow, and also Iran to follow the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
This policy if advocated by the USA and Germany, these counties would get world wide support, and respect, and people would feel favorable toward the USA running the world and will be marked as a historic attachments in stabilizing the Middle East.
We should not forget that it is illegal to speak of The State of Israel, state secrets and this carries a death sentence to people entering or inside the The State of Israel. The Nuclear program is a state secret so agreeing with this post is dangerous.
Descendant, you've descended to shooting the breeze with no sense whatsoever.
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Why, you don't even know the right name of the country you are blabbering about: it's not The Republic of Iran. Now, be a good boy, google the country, and report the results here. You have 10 minutes for this complicated task.
I like many mistook Israel for the "State of Israel" its a common problem for Christian's and people of Christian culture.
also I made another two mistakes in this area, one of which you picked me up for.
Iran, and The Republic of Iran, should be called the "Islamic Republic of Iran"
Care to discuss my point that both "State of Israel" and "Islamic Republic of Iran" both signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and both having it Enforced?
One more comment, People of Jewish faith, or culture, are more muddled than the already common confusion by Christians or of Christian culture in confusing (Gods land of) "Israel" with the county which has unemployment, conscription, breaching many UN resolutions, and treaties, occupieing neighboring counties land and not signing with the UN its borders, even when it won, and is officially called the "State of Israel".
But please back to my point that both "State of Israel" and "Islamic Republic of Iran" both signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and both having it Enforced?
You say Israel already has nukes, dontcha? If it's true, the proliferation has already happened. And if it has, what problems and for whom did Israeli nukes create? Can you remind me of any Israeli threats to annihilate a nation?
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On the other hand, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Maj.-Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi declared in a speech to a defense gathering in Tehran just several days ago: “The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel”.
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So when you say "both Israel and Iran", you lump together a civilized modern country and deranged hateful bully.
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A propos "unemployment", the only country that doesn't have it is North Korea - a big slave labour camp.
Your comment: "Can you remind me of any Israeli threats to annihilate a nation?"
Firstly, they do not need to make a threat - they have already done a good job of annihilating the people of Palestine. Secondly, have you not heard about the Samson option??
Israelis are THE people of Palestine. Didn't you know that? Surprise, surprise!
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Aw, and the Samson option. This is a way to retaliate in the case of aggression only, so the way out of it is so simple: don't try to exterminate Israel. Then everything is jolly good and peaceful. Have any difficulties to comprehend?
Continue to dream - people of Palestine, who were born in Poland or Russia!!! You and your kind are bringing a bad name to the ordinary people of Israel, who probably want peace with their neighbors. It is strange how the effects of the German experience has warped the psychology of several generations of Jews. Most "normal" people would want to talk about peace and harmony. The only people who have experienced the use of nuclear weapons are the Japanese. They refuse to go down the nuclear route. Go to Hiroshima and visit the peace museum. Or are you not allowed to travel out of Polestine??
How many so called Arab Palestinians were born out of Palestine in the last 60 years? Hundreds of thousands. Yet you insist they were 'pals" notwithstanding and had "the right to return". Different yardstick?
Bad news: right or no right, there is no space for them in Palestine any more.
Send Ahmadinejad and Hassan Firouzabadi to Hiroshima. Two birds with one stone: they may decide that Iran needs no nukes after all; and will be able to see what can happen to Tehran if they insist that the national cause of their country is "the full annihilation of Israel”.
Jews (regardless of country of origin) are given monetary incentives to come to Israel - even given "stolen land'. It is in Israel's interest to negotiate and settle these issues. Otherwise there will inevitably be growing global isolation - particularly in Asia (where your country is located). Remember what happened to apartheid in South Africa - weapons could not save the racist structure!!!
It's the pipe-dreamed "Palestinian State" which is purported to be a racist structure: Jew-free land, Nazi fancy come true. In Israel all citizens, irrespective of religion and ethnicity. have equal rights. The worst nightmare of Israeli Arabs is one grim day to find themselves under Fatah or Hamas rule. They prey to Allah five times a day this never to happen.
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I understand your green envy because of "Jewish incentives", but really can't help you with this. Ow, just a second: you could undergo giyur - conversion to Judaism. But I must warn you: your fellow Mohammedans will issue a fatwa and will try to kill you for the act of apostasy. If they don't succeed, they'll continue trying to kill you just as a Jew. Think hard before you decide that "incentives" are worth it!
Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT … they don't need to be subject to the IAEA …
Iran is a signatory to the treaty … therefore they must abide by its regulations … by not complying with the IAEA inspections in a 'transparent' manner … they have raised 'red flags' … their behaviour is suspect and their words meaningless …
Why equate the 2 countries on this issue? The REAL ISSUE is nuclear NON-PROLIFERATION … NO MORE NUKES IN THE HANDS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY! The line in the sand has been drawn. In today's news … its reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia … said to the US administration years ago … that 'if Iran gets NUKES … we'll get NUKES … and that WON'T STOP THE PROLIFERATION … since Egypt and Turkey would want in on that as well …
NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION is the goal … once that has been achieved we can start to roll back the NUKES of the rest of Planet Earth … BUT NO NUKES FOR IRAN … PERIOD!!!!!
I don't know, but recently there was some sort of documentation, or at least a couple rumors that some Mossad agents were the first ones to know about ex-president Clinton's 'affaire' with M. Lewinski...
Even the jewish community was about to bring some mercenaries directly from Israel into Mexican soil, due to the kidnappings of some businessmen by one of the world's most famous and powerful fugitives: "El Chapo" Guzman.
Even if Israeli agencies weren't spying so much, they can see practically everywhere and act really quick. So North American countries should better keep their jewish comminities satisfied with their social and economic interests, at least.
"I don't know, but recently there was some sort of documentation, or at least a couple rumors that some Mossad agents were the first ones to know about ex-president Clinton's 'affaire' with M. Lewinski..."
Rumors, huh? I heard some rumors that Mossad agents can shoot laser beams out of their eyes. Suppose those are true as well?
They main problem with ISLAM comes not from Iran but Saudi-Arabia!
Who is funding all those terrorists and Taliban? Saudi-Arabia.
Will we ever see american drones killing Saudis on their homeland like they do in Pakistan? No.
It´s a rigged game for control of the main sources of oil. It never was a fight for democracy (BUSH skulls&bones asshole) or Womans rights or education for children. America is not able to educate their own youth. They try to teach "Intelligent Design" "because Evolution is just a Theory".
Hey! That´s just like Turkey, Saudi-Arabia and Iran. They have more in common than they think.
"It´s a rigged game for control of the main sources of oil."
It's funny you say that. Really, if the US wanted more oil, they'd invade Canada. Much easier than the Middle East.
"It never was a fight for democracy (BUSH skulls & bones asshole) or Women's rights or education for children."
Maybe not, but all of those things have ended up as results.
"America is not able to educate their own youth. They try to teach "Intelligent Design" "because Evolution is just a Theory"."
What an odd non sequitur. The occasional preoccupation with (not) teaching evolution is silly, to be sure, but I wouldn't say it constitutes America not being able to educate its youth.
We have a PROBLEM here: since a few years ago, Iran has been acting as a cornered and annoyed wild beast... You know what happens when you get a wild animal surrounded and annoyed?? It becomes UNPREDICTABLE, irritated, and even more dangerous than if it was free: it turns willing to defend (or risk) its life with all its claws and fangs, at any cost, even if it means its own death.
Perhaps the nuclear 'fangs' of Iran are a joke and quite far from being developed, but there is another issue that may be a bit more worrying and has not been widely spoken about: WHAT IF IRAN SHUTS PERMANENTLY THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ (one of most strategic checkpoints for oil transit worldwide)??... http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/18409/closing_time.html
Though this would be a KAMIKAZE move for Iran (since it would intend turning the whole freaking world against itself), it's anyway a real threat that can happen in the event there was a major military strike from USA or Israel: frankly, America and Europe have everything to lose, for any case of economic war... Besides, we would be talking about collapse in economic and diplomatic relations between (and among) Western powers and oil-producing Arab countries... And probably World War III.
Perhaps, a more productive solution to this crisis, would be: to promote, introduce and let changes COME FROM INSIDE IRAN itself... And be hopeful changes will come for good.
Even with lots of knacks, I bet you wouldn't dare to enter a cage of 3 or 4 tigers, with your bare hands... Unless you were Rusell Crowe playing Maximus the Gladiator, of course.
Question: WHEN did I say I "hate" jews?? Please don't put such words in my speaking. Even being raised inside a conservative catholic family, I personally have many jewish friends, and even my girlfriend is jewish.
That's one thing, but another completely different topic is that now it's TIME TO FACE THE TRUTH: this is not about how much do America and Israel want to win, rather how much is THE WHOLE WORLD WILLING TO LOSE with a full-scale regional war at Middle East?... Can you run your car without oil?
LOL! All the Jew-haters always have (or lie about having) some mythical "Jewish friends". You cannot camouflage your hateful drivel with such a primitive ruse.
Back off RP … the dude didn't say anything hateful or nasty towards Jews/Zionists/Israelis … READ HIS SHIT!
But he did say, "since a few years ago, Iran has been acting as a cornered and annoyed wild beast" …
EVER SINCE THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION … don't you get it Aztec? Islamism/Reactionary Islam … is a hateful belief that is against the BIG SATAN AND THE LITTLE SATAN … IN GENERAL AGAINST THE 'WEST' … THAT IS … Iran is our mortal enemy … the West and Islamism/Iran are inimical enemies … we cannot co-exist in peace … they have been waging war against the West since 1979 beginning with the American Hostage Crisis! It has not stopped since then … it will not stop until the Islamist Regime is ended … they are like any Fascist Regime … committed to their BS … they don't get ulcers … THEY GIVE THEM!
Iran and the Mullocracy/ICRG must go down … their Nuclear ambitions ended … then the other 'baddies' of the world will be shown a lesson! North Korea will be next … Pakistan is too pre-occupied with India to gaze further a field … Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is 'crazy' … the area is filled with 'crazies' already with weapons including WMD's but Nukes … NOT A CHANCE … the game must be ENDED.
Iran is a dictatorship, run by religious fanatics who stone women, hang gays, and sponsor terrorism worldwide, from Argentina to Thailand.
Such a regime should be boycotted completely, and should not be even allowed to exist - let alone enrich uranium.
What do you think about Saudi-Arabia? What would America do if they began to enrich Uranium?
Would you stop buying their oil?
Why are Americans falling for any imagined foe?
israel already has a nuclear arsenal and possibly chemical and biological weapons. israel has a history of violence and continues to violate international laws, while racially descriminating arabs in its own country. israel openly theatens to attack Iran, and has attacked its neighbours before. Many people believe that a regime such as israel should not be allowed to exist, let alone build, arm and deploy nuclear weapons.
Irans actions are simply a reaction to what israel has done and has been doing for decades. Iran is trying to level the playing field in the middle east, for the benefit of (among others) the Palestinians.
The propaganda is that the muslims are the enemy of the U.S.A. and not the Jews, which is why people like you cry fowl when Iran enriches uranium but say nothing at all when israel builds its own nuclear weapons facilities.
We must treat everyone equally and give Iran the same rights we have given israel.
I would concentrate on getting israel to dismantel its existing nuclear arsenal and destroy its enrichment facilities, before getting Iran to destroy its facilities. Look at the arms race israel has now started.
Your main delusion is that YOU have given their rights to anyone, including Israel. People in the Mohammedan world have no rights whatsoever, and their women are not even counted among human beings - and that is not because someone haven't given them the rights.
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They haven't taken them, that's the truth.
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Israel has. There is nothing you can do about it, except to burst of anger. And she will prevent Iran from obtaining nukes, whatever it takes.
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You can do nothing about that too, except once again to burst of anger. My advice is, think of your health... mental, I mean.
But we have lot of work to do to educate North Americans who are routinely told lies by he Media and the servile Politicans.
Somehow Israel has become a sacred cow.It gets away with murder!
If you see some of he bizare posts here you wonder which planet these folks inhabit.
One guy/gal replied to my comments concerning Israelhas Nukes:
Israel does not have any it has never said so!
Have they not heard about Mordechai Vannunu(an Israeli scientist who exposed Israel nuke sites.
He was kidnaoped by Israeli thugs(aka MOSSAD) and jailed for years!!
Your mom sponsors terrorism. That dictatorship hasnt done any harm but to its own ppl. U dont even have any idea. Poor bastard. The propaganda has consumed you. It will be late when you open your eyes
Agree, Vanunu shouldn't be kept in jail for years. One bullet in the nape of the head - that was all the traitor deserved. But heck, Israelis always err on the side of humanism...
Canada's PM Harper is on record as stating Canada is solidly behind the Jewish State of Israel and AGAINST the Iranian regimes attempt to gain Nuclear Weapons!
That's CANADA'S PERSPECTIVE.
What you given us … is YOUR Arab/Muslim perspective? YOUR LEFTY perspective?
The arms race will begin with an Iranian NUKE … Saudi Arabia has already TOLD the USA that if Iran goes NUCLEAR they will … Egypt and Turkey would be next! NO this zones of hot heads … does not need ACCELERANT to start a fire! NO NUKES.
For me there is no reason why Iran must open its facilities and Israel on the other hand is allowed to conceal its program.
Referring to your point of control: if so every nuclear power must be treated equally. So every nation which run nuclear power sites..... or do anything with nuclear staff must be obliged to open its facilities. But remember this would include also the US, France, Russia, India, China, North Korea, Pakistan, Israel..... I guess you understand what I would like to point out, wouldn't you.
I believe we can achieve more if Iran is not threatened with war.
The rhetoric used does not fit in the circumstances nor does it give enough space for handling situations flexibly. Once you entered the path of war rhetorically you are on a dead end street. Than, just two options will be left: U-turn or war.
I would say - no good initial position for the aim of reaching an agreement in piece. It is all about the route in order to achieve a goal. And when it comes to it - I would deny that the way Israel speaks out its mind is in favor to get the mullah come around. Sometime the route leads you to make a detour, but you will not fail, because you know where your arrival point is.
Interesting, the new hunt for WMD's stay tuned for an action packed preview of just how the world will come to an end should Iran aquire nuclear capabilities. Follow the money, cruise missles run about $1M just for starters. Iraq costs will run over $3 Trillion and Afghanistan is costing $1B a day and Karzi wants more aid money. All the above for what? World peace? really, nothing changes, war machines looking for work fueled in part by the world leading defence industries. Oh ... BTW when Egypt votes in their new Prime Minister he will get an invite to Washington where he will be offered more money to supply defence contracts to ensure American interests are kept alive and well. Like I keep saying nothing chnages ....
The end total may be even highier, first the US alone is spending over $200 billion a year .... now the sad facts about the Winds of War ...long term health care costs for the wounded and disabled will last for years coupled to all the useless war toys and early destruction of persent materials is never mentioned by governement or by the MSM to any depth. All countries are equall in this regard. A few years ago I read an interview from a Europeon paper wrt Afgahanistan by a retired Russian General. He stated it was a no win and that it was a make or break for NATO not the USA and things have turned out just about like he stated. " A long dark deadly road to nowhere and in the end nothing will change" Another point he made was after the wall came down, NATO was finished and they required a cause to exsist and along came Afghanistan. Did we ever think mighty military front offices would ever receive pink slips. So NATO lives on as was wittnessed in the USA this past week-end. Follow the money ............
Where's the fairness? Has Israel threatened to wipe Iran off the map?
There's a BIG difference between a responsible democracy ptotecting itself and a Theocratic dictatorship which speaks glibly of genocide ....or are you to stupid to appreciate the difference?
Responsible? Every day it calls for war and shouts "preemptive strike is not off the table".
Has Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the map? (be careful not to post propaganda and post your sources).
Nearly daily the Israeli government threaten Iran with preemptive strikes. But when Iran says the same bullshit, it's an act of war.. RIGHT?
Truth is, if Iran nuked Israel, Israel would nuke back. If in the event Israel didn't fire enough or couldn't, the world will finish Iran off. Game over. All of Iran would be turned into glass. Nobody wins, and I mean nobody. This automatically means, nobody will be using nukes, so all this is about power and who has the largest weapons. With Iran having nuclear weapons it means Israel can't do whatever it wants, like shouting "preemptive strike" constantly without fear of starting a huge war. Israel fears this and knows it won't be able to control the region any longer.
This is all ASSUMING that Iran is indeed building enough for nuclear weapons. What facts do they have? None, same shit like Iraq all over again.
NO … Iran is different … it's led by a fascist Islamist government in bed with the ICRG … the Iranian People are being held hostage to this Islamist thugocracy …
They will go down!
There's a consensus in the West that Iran's NUKE program is a threat to ALL not ONLY to Israel. Israel is the Little Satan but America is the BIG SATAN … the sworn enemies of the fascist Islamist State of Iran!
What about US, China, England, France, Russia, Israel, Pakistan and India give the example and let all the others countries search for 'irregularities'?!
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Moreover! What about all of them let us know where their nuclear submarines are right now?!!
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"Whether you ask someone to have an exemplar conduct, be first the example."
"Se pede conduta exemplar, seja antes o exemplo."
What about Brazil not have nuclear bombs and INDIA and PAKISTAN have it 'suddenly' in 1998.. and today they are strong allies of USA?!
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Economically, it was good for them?! If was, that's what Iran is searching (Iran isn't crazy to attack Israel).
Calling Pakistan a "strong ally" of the United States is a bit of a stretch. An ally of convenience, perhaps. Or a reluctant ally. But a strong ally? Not so much.
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New photos emerge of suspected evidence removal from a site... the Iranians forbid IAEA officals from visiting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9253558/Iran-s...
Why would Iran do that? - Mmmm....
Why the Gulf in the map?It is the Persian Gulf!Only a democratic powerful can give security to the region.
The West cannot rely to the tribal Arabic states ,in the region.
And the military presence of the US and West cannot go on,forever.
"What to expect..."
Very little, very, very little indeed!
The Islamist government of Iran will continue to manipulate the rest of the world; the manipulated being headed by the appeaser Mr. Obama whose whole thrust in government has been to bow down, figuratively and practically, to those claiming to represent enlightenment on earth: Islam.
From Obama's perspective, old, close and loyal allies can go to hell if they don't stand with him, shoulder-to-shoulder in facing enlightenment that he learned during his 20 years of "sitting under" the Rev. J. Wright of Chicago, close association with Min. L. Farakhan, and the likes of Profs. E. Said and R. Khalidi.
Let us only hope the world will not have to pay too dear a price for this approach of appeasement as the world had to pay due to Chamberline's appeasement of Nazi Germany..!!
P.S. Of some interest, when Iran's Chief of Staff, as reported by the Atlantic, called earlier this week for the annihilation of a fellow UN member state and the US's oldest, closest and most loyal ally in the region, Israel, Mr. Obama and his staff, on instruction from the White House, remained silent. And, this is the man who claimed that his commitment to Israel's security is "unshakable". One can only conclude that his commitment to the Rev. J. Wright is of much greater strength than to any other ally, worldwide.
Okay , I think we are all missing a point here ! The main concern the US has is OIL not nuclear weapons that is a fact that cannot be ignored ! Israel ? Well they just happen to be the perfect excuse for the US to execute invasion on the terms of being the protector of world peace, equality, happiness, prosperity,growth,free market,any market,oil and other products that the US is really good at protecting . So what is going to happen when its all over and there is nothing to prove yet again just like Iraq that there was no intention of Iran to have any weapons of mass destruction?
Who is going to jail then? I can tell you one thing that the two biggest war criminals are walking free, one of them being a peace ambassador for the UN good old Tony Blair! Bush ,well than one he apparently is a motivational speaker ,just imagine ! We live in such absurd world today that it really makes me wonder if the human soul does really exist or are we all just motionless ,empty greed driven beings ,politically and religiously manipulated by the system that we live in in the cocoon of false promises and imaginary safety. As it seems we are all dead on the inside and have started rolling down hill so fast that what ever is waiting at the bottom is not going to be nice.
Even if Iran backs down, will it alone bring peace to the region? The Hegemon is addicted to Wars and Creating instabilities around the world as it sees that is the only way to generate Sales and Profits to service the huge War machine.
If the US had really worry about the world stability and risk of nuclear war, they would have had to focus on Pakistan, who has already its nuclear bomb, conflict with India (who also has its own bomb), and no political stability
Who is paying for the sticks now or later? You Britain? France? The bankrupt Europe?
Iran has not attacked anyone and they are none of America's problem.
They are a problem imagined by the apartheid regime in Israel to wage unending wars and to get more money from the US
It seems a stretch to claim that Iran is in no way a problem.
We only have to look at thier long history of incendiary statements and sponsoring of terrorism...
You said: "Iran has not attacked anyone and they are none of America's problem."
LIES.
Since the Iranian Fascist Revolution … the Iranian Regime has declared itself to be the enemy of the West … it held US Embassy staff for a YEAR … Iran has funded terror groups … Hezbollah which has perpetrated acts against the USA in Lebanon in 1983 killing 299 American troops … at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia killing 20 American troops … Hezbollah has bombed a Jewish Community Center in Argentina killing innocents … the recent attempt in the USA to kill the Saudi Ambassador … Iran has supplied IED's to Iraqi insurgents killing/maiming American troops … Iran has supplied Afghani Taliban with IED's and support in order to kill/maim American troops …
The Iranians are the mortal enemy of the United States … the Iranians have said so!!!!!
Iran is fixated on the 'Big Satan' and the 'Little Satan' and ending the 'way of life' in the West …
They are an 'imagined' threat … only because they are a 'Paper Tiger' … without the ability to cause 'real harm' to Israel or America but nevertheless calling for their demise!
The Mullahs/ICRG will be taken down … a regime change is required in order to return the Iranian People to their future … There will be a war or there will be regime change or there will be BOTH!
Let the Iranian People topple their own thugs … that would be best … 'it's coming and it won't be long'!!!!!
You're a disgrace as a journalist. First rate as a war mongering propagandist though.
The State of Israel should have no credibility in this issue. The State of Israel must first sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. This will make The Republic of Iran feel safer, and also support, world wide, for enforcing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, in The Republic of Iran will be boosted. Especially if the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is equally enforced in both The State of Israel and The Republic of Iran.
We all should call in one breath, for the end of The State of Israel's and Iran's nuclear programs, both to surrender of all nuclear weapons to the UN for disposal. It is sadly politically impossible in USA and Germany, to call for Israel to sign and follow, and also Iran to follow the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
This policy if advocated by the USA and Germany, these counties would get world wide support, and respect, and people would feel favorable toward the USA running the world and will be marked as a historic attachments in stabilizing the Middle East.
We should not forget that it is illegal to speak of The State of Israel, state secrets and this carries a death sentence to people entering or inside the The State of Israel. The Nuclear program is a state secret so agreeing with this post is dangerous.
Descendant, you've descended to shooting the breeze with no sense whatsoever.
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Why, you don't even know the right name of the country you are blabbering about: it's not The Republic of Iran. Now, be a good boy, google the country, and report the results here. You have 10 minutes for this complicated task.
Ops sorry, Stand by my point.
I like many mistook Israel for the "State of Israel" its a common problem for Christian's and people of Christian culture.
also I made another two mistakes in this area, one of which you picked me up for.
Iran, and The Republic of Iran, should be called the "Islamic Republic of Iran"
Care to discuss my point that both "State of Israel" and "Islamic Republic of Iran" both signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and both having it Enforced?
One more comment, People of Jewish faith, or culture, are more muddled than the already common confusion by Christians or of Christian culture in confusing (Gods land of) "Israel" with the county which has unemployment, conscription, breaching many UN resolutions, and treaties, occupieing neighboring counties land and not signing with the UN its borders, even when it won, and is officially called the "State of Israel".
But please back to my point that both "State of Israel" and "Islamic Republic of Iran" both signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and both having it Enforced?
You say Israel already has nukes, dontcha? If it's true, the proliferation has already happened. And if it has, what problems and for whom did Israeli nukes create? Can you remind me of any Israeli threats to annihilate a nation?
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On the other hand, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces Maj.-Gen. Hassan Firouzabadi declared in a speech to a defense gathering in Tehran just several days ago: “The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel”.
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So when you say "both Israel and Iran", you lump together a civilized modern country and deranged hateful bully.
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A propos "unemployment", the only country that doesn't have it is North Korea - a big slave labour camp.
Your comment: "Can you remind me of any Israeli threats to annihilate a nation?"
Firstly, they do not need to make a threat - they have already done a good job of annihilating the people of Palestine. Secondly, have you not heard about the Samson option??
Israelis are THE people of Palestine. Didn't you know that? Surprise, surprise!
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Aw, and the Samson option. This is a way to retaliate in the case of aggression only, so the way out of it is so simple: don't try to exterminate Israel. Then everything is jolly good and peaceful. Have any difficulties to comprehend?
Continue to dream - people of Palestine, who were born in Poland or Russia!!! You and your kind are bringing a bad name to the ordinary people of Israel, who probably want peace with their neighbors. It is strange how the effects of the German experience has warped the psychology of several generations of Jews. Most "normal" people would want to talk about peace and harmony. The only people who have experienced the use of nuclear weapons are the Japanese. They refuse to go down the nuclear route. Go to Hiroshima and visit the peace museum. Or are you not allowed to travel out of Polestine??
How many so called Arab Palestinians were born out of Palestine in the last 60 years? Hundreds of thousands. Yet you insist they were 'pals" notwithstanding and had "the right to return". Different yardstick?
Bad news: right or no right, there is no space for them in Palestine any more.
Send Ahmadinejad and Hassan Firouzabadi to Hiroshima. Two birds with one stone: they may decide that Iran needs no nukes after all; and will be able to see what can happen to Tehran if they insist that the national cause of their country is "the full annihilation of Israel”.
Jews (regardless of country of origin) are given monetary incentives to come to Israel - even given "stolen land'. It is in Israel's interest to negotiate and settle these issues. Otherwise there will inevitably be growing global isolation - particularly in Asia (where your country is located). Remember what happened to apartheid in South Africa - weapons could not save the racist structure!!!
It's the pipe-dreamed "Palestinian State" which is purported to be a racist structure: Jew-free land, Nazi fancy come true. In Israel all citizens, irrespective of religion and ethnicity. have equal rights. The worst nightmare of Israeli Arabs is one grim day to find themselves under Fatah or Hamas rule. They prey to Allah five times a day this never to happen.
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I understand your green envy because of "Jewish incentives", but really can't help you with this. Ow, just a second: you could undergo giyur - conversion to Judaism. But I must warn you: your fellow Mohammedans will issue a fatwa and will try to kill you for the act of apostasy. If they don't succeed, they'll continue trying to kill you just as a Jew. Think hard before you decide that "incentives" are worth it!
Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT … they don't need to be subject to the IAEA …
Iran is a signatory to the treaty … therefore they must abide by its regulations … by not complying with the IAEA inspections in a 'transparent' manner … they have raised 'red flags' … their behaviour is suspect and their words meaningless …
Why equate the 2 countries on this issue? The REAL ISSUE is nuclear NON-PROLIFERATION … NO MORE NUKES IN THE HANDS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY! The line in the sand has been drawn. In today's news … its reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia … said to the US administration years ago … that 'if Iran gets NUKES … we'll get NUKES … and that WON'T STOP THE PROLIFERATION … since Egypt and Turkey would want in on that as well …
NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION is the goal … once that has been achieved we can start to roll back the NUKES of the rest of Planet Earth … BUT NO NUKES FOR IRAN … PERIOD!!!!!
I have a question.
Who spies more on the US. Israel or Iran?
Due to Israel and the US's "special relationship" I doubt that Israel spies much on the US.
Look under your bed. If you find a Jew, then Israel. If you find a Persian, then Iran. If you find your Anglo-Saxon neighbour, interview your spouse.
I don't know, but recently there was some sort of documentation, or at least a couple rumors that some Mossad agents were the first ones to know about ex-president Clinton's 'affaire' with M. Lewinski...
Even the jewish community was about to bring some mercenaries directly from Israel into Mexican soil, due to the kidnappings of some businessmen by one of the world's most famous and powerful fugitives: "El Chapo" Guzman.
Even if Israeli agencies weren't spying so much, they can see practically everywhere and act really quick. So North American countries should better keep their jewish comminities satisfied with their social and economic interests, at least.
"I don't know, but recently there was some sort of documentation, or at least a couple rumors that some Mossad agents were the first ones to know about ex-president Clinton's 'affaire' with M. Lewinski..."
Rumors, huh? I heard some rumors that Mossad agents can shoot laser beams out of their eyes. Suppose those are true as well?
According to this, we all can shoot beams from our eyes (not laser, but at least "light"):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emission_theory_(vision)
But we can also consider that sometimes reality is stranger than fiction...
I realize this is a specious, mostly jesting comment, but that theory hasn't been seriously taken for about 1500 years.
They main problem with ISLAM comes not from Iran but Saudi-Arabia!
Who is funding all those terrorists and Taliban? Saudi-Arabia.
Will we ever see american drones killing Saudis on their homeland like they do in Pakistan? No.
It´s a rigged game for control of the main sources of oil. It never was a fight for democracy (BUSH skulls&bones asshole) or Womans rights or education for children. America is not able to educate their own youth. They try to teach "Intelligent Design" "because Evolution is just a Theory".
Hey! That´s just like Turkey, Saudi-Arabia and Iran. They have more in common than they think.
"It´s a rigged game for control of the main sources of oil."
It's funny you say that. Really, if the US wanted more oil, they'd invade Canada. Much easier than the Middle East.
"It never was a fight for democracy (BUSH skulls & bones asshole) or Women's rights or education for children."
Maybe not, but all of those things have ended up as results.
"America is not able to educate their own youth. They try to teach "Intelligent Design" "because Evolution is just a Theory"."
What an odd non sequitur. The occasional preoccupation with (not) teaching evolution is silly, to be sure, but I wouldn't say it constitutes America not being able to educate its youth.
We have a PROBLEM here: since a few years ago, Iran has been acting as a cornered and annoyed wild beast... You know what happens when you get a wild animal surrounded and annoyed?? It becomes UNPREDICTABLE, irritated, and even more dangerous than if it was free: it turns willing to defend (or risk) its life with all its claws and fangs, at any cost, even if it means its own death.
Perhaps the nuclear 'fangs' of Iran are a joke and quite far from being developed, but there is another issue that may be a bit more worrying and has not been widely spoken about: WHAT IF IRAN SHUTS PERMANENTLY THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ (one of most strategic checkpoints for oil transit worldwide)??...
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/publication/18409/closing_time.html
Though this would be a KAMIKAZE move for Iran (since it would intend turning the whole freaking world against itself), it's anyway a real threat that can happen in the event there was a major military strike from USA or Israel: frankly, America and Europe have everything to lose, for any case of economic war... Besides, we would be talking about collapse in economic and diplomatic relations between (and among) Western powers and oil-producing Arab countries... And probably World War III.
Perhaps, a more productive solution to this crisis, would be: to promote, introduce and let changes COME FROM INSIDE IRAN itself... And be hopeful changes will come for good.
Zoos are full of formerly unpredictable and dangerous animals. There is a knack to deal with them. Iran is not exception.
Even with lots of knacks, I bet you wouldn't dare to enter a cage of 3 or 4 tigers, with your bare hands... Unless you were Rusell Crowe playing Maximus the Gladiator, of course.
Exactly. Israel wouldn't do it with her bare hands. Isn't it what all of you Jew-haters are whining here about?
Question: WHEN did I say I "hate" jews?? Please don't put such words in my speaking. Even being raised inside a conservative catholic family, I personally have many jewish friends, and even my girlfriend is jewish.
That's one thing, but another completely different topic is that now it's TIME TO FACE THE TRUTH: this is not about how much do America and Israel want to win, rather how much is THE WHOLE WORLD WILLING TO LOSE with a full-scale regional war at Middle East?... Can you run your car without oil?
LOL! All the Jew-haters always have (or lie about having) some mythical "Jewish friends". You cannot camouflage your hateful drivel with such a primitive ruse.
Back off RP … the dude didn't say anything hateful or nasty towards Jews/Zionists/Israelis … READ HIS SHIT!
But he did say, "since a few years ago, Iran has been acting as a cornered and annoyed wild beast" …
EVER SINCE THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION … don't you get it Aztec? Islamism/Reactionary Islam … is a hateful belief that is against the BIG SATAN AND THE LITTLE SATAN … IN GENERAL AGAINST THE 'WEST' … THAT IS … Iran is our mortal enemy … the West and Islamism/Iran are inimical enemies … we cannot co-exist in peace … they have been waging war against the West since 1979 beginning with the American Hostage Crisis! It has not stopped since then … it will not stop until the Islamist Regime is ended … they are like any Fascist Regime … committed to their BS … they don't get ulcers … THEY GIVE THEM!
Iran and the Mullocracy/ICRG must go down … their Nuclear ambitions ended … then the other 'baddies' of the world will be shown a lesson! North Korea will be next … Pakistan is too pre-occupied with India to gaze further a field … Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is 'crazy' … the area is filled with 'crazies' already with weapons including WMD's but Nukes … NOT A CHANCE … the game must be ENDED.
Iran is a dictatorship, run by religious fanatics who stone women, hang gays, and sponsor terrorism worldwide, from Argentina to Thailand.
Such a regime should be boycotted completely, and should not be even allowed to exist - let alone enrich uranium.
What do you think about Saudi-Arabia? What would America do if they began to enrich Uranium?
Would you stop buying their oil?
Why are Americans falling for any imagined foe?
israel already has a nuclear arsenal and possibly chemical and biological weapons. israel has a history of violence and continues to violate international laws, while racially descriminating arabs in its own country. israel openly theatens to attack Iran, and has attacked its neighbours before. Many people believe that a regime such as israel should not be allowed to exist, let alone build, arm and deploy nuclear weapons.
Irans actions are simply a reaction to what israel has done and has been doing for decades. Iran is trying to level the playing field in the middle east, for the benefit of (among others) the Palestinians.
The propaganda is that the muslims are the enemy of the U.S.A. and not the Jews, which is why people like you cry fowl when Iran enriches uranium but say nothing at all when israel builds its own nuclear weapons facilities.
We must treat everyone equally and give Iran the same rights we have given israel.
I would concentrate on getting israel to dismantel its existing nuclear arsenal and destroy its enrichment facilities, before getting Iran to destroy its facilities. Look at the arms race israel has now started.
Your main delusion is that YOU have given their rights to anyone, including Israel. People in the Mohammedan world have no rights whatsoever, and their women are not even counted among human beings - and that is not because someone haven't given them the rights.
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They haven't taken them, that's the truth.
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Israel has. There is nothing you can do about it, except to burst of anger. And she will prevent Iran from obtaining nukes, whatever it takes.
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You can do nothing about that too, except once again to burst of anger. My advice is, think of your health... mental, I mean.
Well written Bravo!
But we have lot of work to do to educate North Americans who are routinely told lies by he Media and the servile Politicans.
Somehow Israel has become a sacred cow.It gets away with murder!
If you see some of he bizare posts here you wonder which planet these folks inhabit.
One guy/gal replied to my comments concerning Israelhas Nukes:
Israel does not have any it has never said so!
Have they not heard about Mordechai Vannunu(an Israeli scientist who exposed Israel nuke sites.
He was kidnaoped by Israeli thugs(aka MOSSAD) and jailed for years!!
Your mom sponsors terrorism. That dictatorship hasnt done any harm but to its own ppl. U dont even have any idea. Poor bastard. The propaganda has consumed you. It will be late when you open your eyes
Agree, Vanunu shouldn't be kept in jail for years. One bullet in the nape of the head - that was all the traitor deserved. But heck, Israelis always err on the side of humanism...
A Canadian Perspective? It's YOUR perspective!
Canada's PM Harper is on record as stating Canada is solidly behind the Jewish State of Israel and AGAINST the Iranian regimes attempt to gain Nuclear Weapons!
That's CANADA'S PERSPECTIVE.
What you given us … is YOUR Arab/Muslim perspective? YOUR LEFTY perspective?
The arms race will begin with an Iranian NUKE … Saudi Arabia has already TOLD the USA that if Iran goes NUCLEAR they will … Egypt and Turkey would be next! NO this zones of hot heads … does not need ACCELERANT to start a fire! NO NUKES.
I highly doubt that saudi arabia has the technical ability to go nuclear. Their creativity is limited to digging for oil and beheading infidels.
The Pakistanis are willing to sell … the North Koreans are willing to sell …
Saudi Arabia … is willing to buy …
As a broker … you'd make a lot of money … but you'd rot in hell (if there's is hell)? LOL
They're too stupid for anything except buying it … besides they're too lazy!
For me there is no reason why Iran must open its facilities and Israel on the other hand is allowed to conceal its program.
Referring to your point of control: if so every nuclear power must be treated equally. So every nation which run nuclear power sites..... or do anything with nuclear staff must be obliged to open its facilities. But remember this would include also the US, France, Russia, India, China, North Korea, Pakistan, Israel..... I guess you understand what I would like to point out, wouldn't you.
I believe we can achieve more if Iran is not threatened with war.
The rhetoric used does not fit in the circumstances nor does it give enough space for handling situations flexibly. Once you entered the path of war rhetorically you are on a dead end street. Than, just two options will be left: U-turn or war.
I would say - no good initial position for the aim of reaching an agreement in piece. It is all about the route in order to achieve a goal. And when it comes to it - I would deny that the way Israel speaks out its mind is in favor to get the mullah come around. Sometime the route leads you to make a detour, but you will not fail, because you know where your arrival point is.
Interesting, the new hunt for WMD's stay tuned for an action packed preview of just how the world will come to an end should Iran aquire nuclear capabilities. Follow the money, cruise missles run about $1M just for starters. Iraq costs will run over $3 Trillion and Afghanistan is costing $1B a day and Karzi wants more aid money. All the above for what? World peace? really, nothing changes, war machines looking for work fueled in part by the world leading defence industries. Oh ... BTW when Egypt votes in their new Prime Minister he will get an invite to Washington where he will be offered more money to supply defence contracts to ensure American interests are kept alive and well. Like I keep saying nothing chnages ....
I am more concerned about a nuclear armed Pakistan than I am Iran.
Also check your facts: the Afghan war maybe costs a fifth or a quarter billion a day.
On the whole though, yeah, quoting George Carlin, "bombing for peace is like f***ing for virginity."
The end total may be even highier, first the US alone is spending over $200 billion a year .... now the sad facts about the Winds of War ...long term health care costs for the wounded and disabled will last for years coupled to all the useless war toys and early destruction of persent materials is never mentioned by governement or by the MSM to any depth. All countries are equall in this regard. A few years ago I read an interview from a Europeon paper wrt Afgahanistan by a retired Russian General. He stated it was a no win and that it was a make or break for NATO not the USA and things have turned out just about like he stated. " A long dark deadly road to nowhere and in the end nothing will change" Another point he made was after the wall came down, NATO was finished and they required a cause to exsist and along came Afghanistan. Did we ever think mighty military front offices would ever receive pink slips. So NATO lives on as was wittnessed in the USA this past week-end. Follow the money ............
Who is George Carlin? Great quotation.
Two words:
Regime Change.
There's a typo in the second last section. "Iraq would get provisional suspension of Security Council sanctions..."
For the sake of fairness, The Economist should also depict the sites of Israel's nuclear installations on the Map.
Where's the fairness? Has Israel threatened to wipe Iran off the map?
There's a BIG difference between a responsible democracy ptotecting itself and a Theocratic dictatorship which speaks glibly of genocide ....or are you to stupid to appreciate the difference?
jjupels, do you dare to acknowledge The State of Israel's Nuclear weapons program?
I can understand Economist being bias, as it is intimidated, by The State of Israel declaring its Nuclear Weapons Program a state secret.
Responsible? Every day it calls for war and shouts "preemptive strike is not off the table".
Has Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the map? (be careful not to post propaganda and post your sources).
Nearly daily the Israeli government threaten Iran with preemptive strikes. But when Iran says the same bullshit, it's an act of war.. RIGHT?
Truth is, if Iran nuked Israel, Israel would nuke back. If in the event Israel didn't fire enough or couldn't, the world will finish Iran off. Game over. All of Iran would be turned into glass. Nobody wins, and I mean nobody. This automatically means, nobody will be using nukes, so all this is about power and who has the largest weapons. With Iran having nuclear weapons it means Israel can't do whatever it wants, like shouting "preemptive strike" constantly without fear of starting a huge war. Israel fears this and knows it won't be able to control the region any longer.
This is all ASSUMING that Iran is indeed building enough for nuclear weapons. What facts do they have? None, same shit like Iraq all over again.
NO … Iran is different … it's led by a fascist Islamist government in bed with the ICRG … the Iranian People are being held hostage to this Islamist thugocracy …
They will go down!
There's a consensus in the West that Iran's NUKE program is a threat to ALL not ONLY to Israel. Israel is the Little Satan but America is the BIG SATAN … the sworn enemies of the fascist Islamist State of Iran!
Can you say … good night?
What about US, China, England, France, Russia, Israel, Pakistan and India give the example and let all the others countries search for 'irregularities'?!
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Moreover! What about all of them let us know where their nuclear submarines are right now?!!
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"Whether you ask someone to have an exemplar conduct, be first the example."
"Se pede conduta exemplar, seja antes o exemplo."
What about Brazil not have nuclear bombs and INDIA and PAKISTAN have it 'suddenly' in 1998.. and today they are strong allies of USA?!
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Economically, it was good for them?! If was, that's what Iran is searching (Iran isn't crazy to attack Israel).
Calling Pakistan a "strong ally" of the United States is a bit of a stretch. An ally of convenience, perhaps. Or a reluctant ally. But a strong ally? Not so much.