IN RECENT years China's leaders have become increasingly concerned that the public's awareness of the growing wealth gap could lead to social instability. In Beijing, displays of gratuitous overcompensation are a daily reminder that some people, in keeping with a famous dictum of Deng Xiaoping's, have indeed got rich first. Officials last year even went so far as to try suppressing ads that promote “luxury lifestyles”—lest the have-nots be inspired to rise up and storm the local Lamborghini dealership.
Perhaps even more troubling for the Party is the surge in scepticism over how such wealth seems to find its way into the hands of officials and their families, not to mention into those of their beloved Swiss bankers, English boarding schools and Australian estate agents. Particularly galling are the reports about the great number of officials who have taken to working “naked”. That is to say, many officials are working in China while their wives, children and, presumably, a chunk of the motherland's money take residence overseas. A report released last year estimated that as much as $120 billion may have been transferred abroad by corrupt officials.
The Chinese media have been given greater freedom to report on corruption and the financial shenanigans of large companies of late. Which makes it all the more striking that reporting on the business activities of the Central Committee's wives and offspring is still strictly forbidden.
An exception can be made when one of the select few falls from grace. Earlier this year, after Bo Xilai, a rising star, was cashiered from his position as the Communist Party secretary of Chongqing, authorities became notably less rigorous in censoring microblogs about his family (though to this day his case remains a taboo subject in the state media). Although formal charges against him have yet to be announced, plenty of stories have emerged in the foreign press about the almost unbelievably twisted business dealings of Mr Bo's wife, Gu Kailai. In those reports Ms Gu, a lawyer by training and the daughter of a PLA general, has been accused of stashing assets overseas, finagling a spot for her son at the Harrow School, having affairs with two of the foreign gentlemen—Neil Heywood and Patrick Devillers—who helped her to arrange all of this and, when these economic and romantic entanglements became too sticky, orchestrating and personally supervising the November 2011 murder of one of them in a Chongqing hotel.
So one can only imagine the consternation caused by yesterday's sensational exposé by Bloomberg, which details the financial assets belonging to the family of China's president-in-waiting, Xi Jinping. Bloomberg was careful to note that no part of their investigation directly implicated Mr Xi, his wife, herself a famous PLA officer-cum-singer, Peng Liyuan, or their daughter, who is reportedly studying at Harvard University under an assumed name. The Bloomberg report suggests that other close relatives of Mr Xi have been blessed with abundant good fortune, to put it mildly. The article ties Mr Xi's sister Qi Qiaoqiao, her husband Deng Jigui, and another brother-in-law, Wu Long, to assets worth hundreds of millions of dollars, or even billions. Their holdings are reported to include stakes in real estate and telecommunications, as well as the sensitive business of producing rare-earth minerals.
The government's response to the Bloomberg report was predictable. Both the Bloomberg and Businessweek websites are currently inaccessible inside China's “great firewall”. Although access to Bloomberg Professional, an essential tool for businesses and China's financial elite, so far remains unaffected.
It is often speculated that families of officials at all levels of Chinese government are benefiting financially from their access to power. In a country where even a state newspaper argues in favour of allowing a “moderate amount of corruption”, should it come as a shock if some of the people in power seek to monetise their positions through favours and largesse?
Probably not, but it's pretty appalling all the same. With social tensions rising steadily, the public's patience with the extravagance of the official class is wearing thin. Calls for greater transparency—not to be confused with any call for Western-style democracy—are growing louder. Many people in China have come to accept corruption as a fact of life, and feel that there is little that anyone can do to fix it.
Perversely the corruption of officials and their family members can serve as something of a check, as Mr Bo found out earlier this year. It ensures that no one in the system is invulnerable. The situation is like duelling with hand grenades. If everybody in your circle of power is dirty, then it's to your own advantage not to do anything to jeopardise your position, lest the others use what they have against you.
The system also gives those in power precious little incentive to advocate for meaningful political reform. Too many people have too much “skin in the game”. Political openness would threaten not only the Party's grip on power, but also a whole system which provides direct and indirect financial benefits to millions of relatively well-connected individuals. Factionalism abounds of course, but the divide is less between “reformers” and “hardliners” than it is between different political power-brokers and within their networks of patronage. Such competition becomes particularly fierce in the run-up to one of these once-in-a-decade leadership transition, as in 2012.
Given the stakes involved, it would seem Chinese officialdom should have no trouble appreciating a famous admonition made by an American polymath, Benjamin Franklin, some 235 years ago this week: “We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
Update, 5.30am GMT: At this hour not only Bloomberg's news sites are blocked in China, but also the page that hosts the article you just read. The rest of our site seems to be unaffected. You can check its status on WebSitePulse. Try inputting www.economist.com alongside:
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Is the Communist Party of China (CPC) a Hybrid-Dynasty?
After reading through some of the comments here, I am even more convinced that this article, and not just merely a bantamweight article but perhaps a coordinated series of “events” to come, is timed to embarrass, to pare down Chinese peoples’ optimism, even euphuism, toward CCP government from recent stream of uplifting and positive news in China amidst the doldrums in general in the world, and is to demoralize Chinese folks a bit (if that leads to destabilization, all the better)---- all done or to be done on the eve of Chinese leadership change. It’s not a new trick and is not to be condemned in particular as every dog fights for its master.
But that’s not to say China is without some serious problems, and not just serious corruption problems. Yes we do, we are aware, and we are fixing them. This is being done by instituting better overseeing and auditing system, better balance and checks mechanism, better transparency and media exposure, better professionalism and remuneration system, and better law enforcement and judiciary impartiality, according to government releases.
Even with these reform efforts in stages in earnest, like a housewife's work it’s never done and crime fighting is perennial indeed. Yet crime fighting against higher level officials is denigrated as "power struggle" or "purage" as the West media, being ever clever word smith, loved so much to lay on the non-West scene.
Even if there was real "power struggle", why not? Why should they be any different from the rest of the world? Just name me one political leader in the world who did not emerge out from some kind of power struggle one way or the other. No country is any superstar and China is just a nation.
It’s early July, allow me to offer my congratulations to the 91st anniversary of CCP in China and 236th anniversary of the United States of America. Happy Birthday!
Everything's a conspiracy, isn't it?
Everything happens for a reason, right?
So how did you access this website?? obviously you are either not in china or you are ONE OF THEM ...
The economist is a pretty reasonable publication, its unhealthy to be paranoid of everything around you.
I'm dizzy reading your long sentences.
When are you people going to finally realize that the Economist is not blocked in China?
Chinese people likes to operate in grey region rather than the Western way of black and white which prepare the ground to corrupt. Plus the centralism which rules out possibility on the ground when opportunities present is a good recipe to cook a corruption banquet to feast on. Until these ingredients are replaced with better culture and system, corruption will be on the Chinese menu for a long time to come. Sigh.
European and American bankers like to operate in grey region than the rest of the world. Just arrested 3 Bankers in London ! What do you think?
Few cases in Europe can not compete with the Chinese culture on corruption and negligence of the laws which seem to be non existent. At least Europe has laws and they enforce its laws based on the laws. On the other hand, the crime corruption is purely an excuse by the government to put away some people against its interests.
Punishment for European financial criminals are Bonus, bailout and ESM !
As borne out by Mao's wisdom who has said that after a revolution, the CCP revolutionary elites could be ossified to become like the reactionary Liberal Capitalists and Caste masters as a new Oppressive class. Only by Mao's continuous revolution to root out corruptions and to smash the official bureaucracy that is emerging to oppress the masses again.
I agree.
The Great Helmsman said:
“The feudal landlord class was the main social base of imperialist rule in China, while the peasants were the main force of the Chinese revolution. If help was not given to the peasants in overthrowing the feudal landlord class, then a strong force of the Chinese revolution could not be organized to overthrow imperialist rule. Therefore, the peasant problem becomes the basic problem of the Chinese revolution. In order to lead the Chinese revolution to victory, the proletariat had to mobilize and arm the peasants, carry out the land revolution and build solid revolutionary base areas in the countryside"
However, Dengian Theory says: "Black Bo or White Xi, it doesn't really matter as long as the Great Economic Leapfrog Forward (7% GDP growth is quite alright, no?) continues under the beneviolent goadance and coercive care of the CPC, without Maoist characteristics anymore (Bo was thrown out!) but now with scientific opening-up and reform outlook, leading the proletariat onto the glorious unknown"
Down with the 1% (especially those from Harvard!)
Long live OWS and Naxalites everywhere like in Myanmar.
Mao would be turning in his grave.
The corruption problem with China (and many other countries) is that there is a high degree of tolerance in the society regarding corruption.
For example, there are many "latent rules" in Chinese society, i.e. which means that in many occasions, you have to curry favor to someone who is in charge in order to acquire service or get the work done in return.
Though it seems trivial, however, such widespread practice encourages corruption.
Corruption is rampant in China. But let's consider the alternative scenario.
When there was much less corruption in China, i.e. the era of Cultural Revolution and earlier, what did the Chinese officials do back then? They devoted wholeheartedly their excessive energy to incessant bloody, redundant and meaningless political campaigns.
Even though the end result is the same, there is less nuisance to the civilian population nowadays.
So if there are only choices -- political campaign or corruption -- maybe the latter is the lesser evil.
So all these "princelings" should ask their daddies how much they really miss Chairman Mao (not the little Deng!)
What they are missing are Burmese women! ;-D...
Devil's
Corruption vs political campaigns
Have you examine your brain !!
Is that really the only choice? Genocide versus corruption?
I really hate to think so, but you may be right.Clearly, the
Chinese people are a lot better off now than under the monstrous
oppression of Mao and the cultural revolution, as the Russian people are better off than under Stalin's monstrous power.
Is it possible that corruption is an inevitable part
of a state undergoing very rapid economic advancement?
I don't see the fuss that are thrown up. There is no way and nowhere in the present World to prevent rich & influential people related to powerful people from getting richer. There is nothing in the laws that will prevent these people from ferreting out good deals to make money. Bloomberg tries to dig out dude's elder sis family is unusually rich. These is not surprising to me as the elder sis is actually a Red princess. The real question to be dug should be whether the dude & his immediate family is unusually rich.
I doubt if there is any Chinese defending this corruption, this government here who is not on the government payroll, directly or indirectly. Or he/she must be related to the party personally, enjoying the privilege and earning the fortune. If you are anyone who is living in China right now, using the Chinese Twitter - Sina Minblog (probably has more than 200m users mainly young ppl), it is quite easy to find out that corruption is not even a topic in China these days. Because everyone knows this entire government is corrupted in the roots, we make jokes about it. We say ten out of ten officials can be executed without a trial, and there will not be any unjustifiable. We say China is ruled by a bunch of mums and dads of foreigners. Some ppl even joked that our legitimate government is actually in Taiwan.
The hot topic these days are all about food safety problems, environmental problems (chemical companies setting up factories without any sound research report, beautiful sky in Beijing, etc), and property problems (farmers’ land being sold by local government without proper informing and compensation, but you know as CCP states all land belongs to the government which is equally saying belongs to the party). Well, you see, corruption these days are not even a concern to us, because we have more serious issues to worry about.
Well said... your comment is much appreciated.
That is exactly because of corruption that is why so many different problems to solve. They covered each other and each level !!
I think corruption is the result, rather than the cause, there is something fundamentally wrong, and I am not feeling safe to say it as a Chinese citizen.
I think corruption is the result, rather than the cause, there is something fundamentally wrong, and I am not feeling safe to say it as a Chinese citizen.
You bribe a government official so you can do dirty job at the back, like milk products, meat, lousy infrastructure, Tofu house, etc etc. If those official are doing their job accordingly there should not be so many cases like this happened. Some OK, but so many is wrong.
BTW Corruption is not the cause, Greed is.
Let's not be so lukewarm on the question of corruption. The collective moral consciousness of the people is necessary precondition for the corruption to go away. The comparable cases such as Taiwan, even ten fifteen years ago still have rampant corruption among officials. And different from India, democracy and transparency actually made the corruption go away; nowadays officials get caught for even scandal on the scale of $2.8 million USD, which could even be considered cute in comparison with Bo Xilai's rumored $6 billion USD money laundering.
Heard it from friends in Canada Bo's substantial real estate investment in Toronto is now pretty much confiscated by its government. So great, ccp corruption, vampiric drain to the Chinese citizens, and free money for the Anglo-Francophone ruling elites.
Qiaoqiao Qi (aka Xi), Jinping Xi's sister probably also owns property in Canada (a bit less than Xilai Bo?). These top level "naked" Chinese are buying real estate like crazy in Canada (and now also in the US and Europe, I heard) trying to "migrate" their money and their families before the whole hot-air balloon called "CPC-ruled-PRC" bursts into flames, no?
They want you to be their private waitress.
They are actually just hedging their investments. What's the point of keeping all your eggs in China? I bet they have many times the assets in China than in the West. But as someone who hates finance I don't expect you to know what "hedging" means.
By the way, what's the going price for a Burmese girl these days? How many Burmese girls can Xi Jingping afford to buy?
This guy is not Chinese and doesn't speak a word of Mandarin, but he is looking to marry into a traditional Chinese family of good standing: http://youtu.be/zHteSbrZZ5U
I see some comments here suggesting that because the Chinese have done so much to lift people out of poverty, and own large foreign currency reserves, the Economist should leave them alone. Writing any article about corrupt Chinses officials if just the West being jealous (HA!), and carrying on their endless smear campaign against China, bla, bla bla!
THe same peopple also claim loudly that corruption is not culturla, the Chinese are not more prone to corruption than anyone else, corruption also exists in the West etc....
I understand that our Chinese friends here should feel some rightly earned nationalistic pride at the achievements of their government. But the argument that the government has achieved a lot and should therefore be left alone, demonstrates someting else. MAny of the Chinese people on this blog are MOST LIKELY from teh Middle/Upper echelons of the chinese society and they are probably doing quite well for themselves. So they can't really see why corruption is so bad.
I would like to remind them, that corruption is bad because it preys heavily on the poor, the weak and the defenceless! After all those bribes finish exchanging hands, the poorest people always bear the worst of the negative effects! And just because you have lifted 500,000 million people out of poverty, that does not make it right for you to prey on the others!
Yeah! Jail them all---the Bankers!!
[Bankers!!]
Banksters! 3 of them have just bite the dust in England.
Not enough!! All of them!!!
We should meet for a beer (be my guest) when this day happen!!
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Transparancy International - Corruption Perceptions Index 2011 (Very clean = 10, ... , Not clean = 0)
Zimbabwe (2.2)
People's Republic of China (3.6)
Taiwan (6.1)
US (7.1)
Singapore (9.2)
Sweden (9.3)
The Economist Intelligence Unit's Democracy Index 2011 (10,..,0)
Zimbabwe (2.68)
People's Republic of China (3.14)
Taiwan (7.46)
US (8.11)
Singapore (5.89)
Sweden (9.5)
Obviously, Chinese people not living under the control of the Chinese Communist Party, like the Han Chinese in Singapore (almost no corruption!), do better.
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TE Democracy Index 2011
India (7.4)
China (3.14)
Corruption Perception Index 2011
India (3.1)
China (3.6)
List of countries by literacy rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
India (74.2%)
China (95.9%)
Obviously, India, a pseudo democracy, sucks.
When someone try to point a finger to China,why they start comparing themselves to India?Is it just a defensive technique or inferiority complex? ........
No it's actually just really funny.
So much for supah dupah Indian democracy eh?
Yeah it is really very funny....The corrupt politicians in your country must be laughing at these jokes... Because they thrive on blind patriots like you...
And you are an Indian who is mad at the Internet :(
Learn to be less awkward KTHX
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By the way, according to the CPI, India is more corrupt than China. So if the corrupt Chinese politicians are thriving off "blind patriots" like me, what are corrupt Indian politicians thriving off of?
Dude,I am not claiming India is a corruption free country.But Indians accept it and many Indians are already on streets protesting it.Many high profile politicians are behind bars.Some of them have to loose their post and are facing trails.
My point is highlighting the corruption index in India,is not going to solve corruption problems in your country.
If you want to defend something,defend your culture,defend your people.Why are you defending the Corruption?
Dude, I was just trolling. Learn to Internet dude.
By the way, I wasn't so much defending corruption but rather just making fun of India.
There are lots of Indian and Chinese trolls making fun of each other on this website. Get used to it.
Also it's kind of amazing how many Indian readers read the China section.
Every time anyone criticizes India *in the China section* one of you recently reincarnated people pop up to defend the motherland and lots of other reincarnated people pop up to recommend the first reincarnated's post.
this article is blocked in China! the homepage is not...
The Great CCP Firewall in action...
65 years ago, KMT lost mainland China to CCP because of rampant corruption in its upper ranks.
in 5 years' time, rampant corruption among the top ranks of CCP may result in KMT becoming the legitimate government of China once again... I would definitely recommend Japan to switch from Beijing to Taipei in 2017, if current tide of corruption in the mainland is not stemmed...
CPC should read your comment!!
Don't worry the KMT will never retake China. My comrades in Beijing would never let that happen. I know as a drug dealing KMT member you would be disappointed. But you can carve yourself an Drug empire in the Burmese jungle
You are kidding, mate! Burma is just peanuts compare to your USA and EU drug empire!!
I am scare of jungle, how about you and Melon Bo go to Burma and build some proper road first, And I will ship your Bismarck-meat-Drug through Thailand!! Thailand has plenty of incense (good stuff too) and you two can enjoy your or*l-s*x on the beach while selling drug to tourists !!
Kido, like I've told you before, you are consuming too much LSD. LSD causes brain damage, and if you want to make it to age 9 without being locked up in a Burmese mental hospital with tocharian, I suggest that you go back to snorting coke or smoking weed.
Hello Bismarck
Why you have to do this!! Low class...
i like that
I gotta admit you and PL123 have the best(and funniest) ad hominem attacks on each other. Keep up the good work guys lol :D
I am doing the job for Germany, this guy is faking his identity of our Chancellor, the greatest !! :D
The level of corrutpion in China today does not approach the KMT during the civil war period.
A good illustration: The KMT central government gave large lump sums of money to the officers for them to pay their troops. Instead, the officers pocketed that money and the soldiers were forced to steal food from the farmers.
If the PLA is ever reduced to pillaging the countryside for food while China suffers from hyperinflation and economic stagnation of the kind that afflicted China during the late 1940's, than the CCP might fall. But of course, even then, the KMT already had a potential replacement at hand in the form of the CCP; but today the CCP does not have any potential replacement at hand.
Yes, Bismarck888, you are right. Obviously there are still many people keeping blind.
Taipei cannot remain independent from Beijing’s control; moreover, for at least one week, Kuomintang’s ex-vice chairman Lin Yi-Shi, a 40-50s KMT leading candidates and owning a nickname “KMT’s doraemon”, has been proved for corruption involving more than NTD 0.1 billion for washing money about China Steel’s bid of purchase, but few international opinion says KMT is bad and still says KMT fits.the reign in China. According to a reporter Hu Zhong-hsin’s stolen information yesterday, Ma Ying-jeou and KMT are inclined to protect Mr. Lin and his wife Peng Ai-jia, a well-known anchorwoman. Really and sadly, very seriously big scandal occurs but international media still think KMT is the best in China, leading to few international condemnation.
I hate those who praise KMT while I continue my work under Beijing’s leadership. Yeah, by the way, tell everyone the truth. Beijing’s fifth-generation already read this article and says the asset is well-known in public from very early time, but, funnily speaking for me, fourth-generation Hu and Wen’s bureaucracy forbad the link. This “good news” might let these bloggers be happy. Well, princeling party almost has good relation with outside party’s enterprise so Xi and Xi’s family can accumulate so many fortune. Compared with that KMT’s doraemon, who hid note in his garden’s waterpool or put note into cinerator, Xi’s family is lighter and transparent. Basically, Xi and another faction’s Li Ke-qiang have nothing to do with corruption. Japan’s Taro Aso of the Liberal Democratic Party, with about 5,400,000 dollars from stock dividends and asset sales in 2009, was the historical richest prime minister in Japan and no one says he was questioned of corruption but his famous stomach ache and joy with Koizumi Junichiro by beer and wine. Alas, owning gross fortune and corruption are two independent question.
I do believe www.economist.com is blocked now too...
3 points:
1) Democracy is not free from corruption (India is more corrupted than China, USA- Dick Cheney, George W Bush, Military-Industrial-Prison-Complex)
2) Oppresive regimes can be wealthy and corruption free (Singapore)
3) Equal distribution of wealth does not mean society will be rich as whole (Cuba, China 40 years ago)
Singapore being corruption free? That depends on how you define corruption.
Instead of a large illegal outflow of capital from the state to the governing elite, Singapore merely sanctions this outflow by legalising it and paying the governing elite large salaries.
And they suffer from your usual nepotism and special interests that all countres do. The governing elite, after all, mostly come for the entrenched classes whose interests have always been tied to the state and its position in society.
So the stifling effects are not dissimilar to corruption.
Your points, of course, are entirely correct. That's why we must not view the world in binary terms. I.e., it's not that democracies are free from corruption, but ON AVERAGE, democracies are freeER from corruption.
Yepp! A single family running the Govt & Big Financial institutions of an island nation is not sign of corruption & nepotism but superior genes. Rest of Singaporeans excepts Lee family are dumb idiots that's why he ran country for 40 yrs before handing over to his son; thats why his daughter in law runs the nations kitty bank and rest of nation fight shies of banking transparency laws while providing last refuge to Drug Smugglers, Gun runners, Terrorist & Criminal Syndicates to lander their cash...
The problem I have with this articles is they look at the elite to paint a picture of how corrupt China is. And our little Chinese Red Pioneers than start giving examples of how corrupt the West is. In both cases it really deflects from the matter, on the systematic nature of corruption in China and other developing countries.
How does China compare with other developing countries? The problem with the corruption measures is that they often are "perception". How does one perceive corruption. if the press is restricted in reporting about corruption as it in China, your perception will be affected. In Indonesia, people now say its more corrupt now than it was during the Suharto era, but is it really? Or is it because of the free press, alot of corruption cases are now being reported and tried, while in the past it was hidden.
As a individual who has dealt with corruption in its myriad forms and shapes, and got the T-Shirt also, the key indicator of how corrupt a country is whether positions in the government bureaucracy are bought/sold. In my opinion, this distinguishes the minor / major leagues. Countries like Indonesia/China are in the major leagues in terms of corruption because positions are bought and sold. Here is an interesting article.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/here-the-wheels-of-chinas-corruption-grin...
Countries like Malaysia are in bush league in terms of corruption, because positions are rarely bought/sold.
So where does this practice of buying and selling of official position comes from? In many countries in the past, positions could be bought legally. Horatio Nelson bought his first command, as was the tradition in those days. He would recover it through spoils of war etc. Getting back to officials in corrupt Third World countries, they recover the cost of the position through bribes, kickbacks etc.
That is why corruption is much higher in both Indonesia/China or in Malaysia. Some one told me to get promoted to detective in a white collar crime unit in Jakarta it cost about $100,000 (that was about 7 years ago). Imagine how much more corrupt a official would be if he had to pay back $200,000 he borrowed from relatives/friends to get his promotion.
One could say elections are the same thing in a way. But do you elect the police detective? The cop that directs traffic? The budget officer in your municipal government? I hope you get the picture.
The second aspect that distinguishes the major leagues and the bush league, is bribing other government departments to get approvals. Yes, civil servants bribing other civil servants. In China, as the above article explains you need to bribe other government offices to get project approvals. Why is this important? A government official has to collect large amounts of money as insurance in case he gets caught, to bribe his investigators. Money, connections and "secrets", not the law, is the only way to survive a corrupt bureaucracy.
People point at the low salaries government officials get, but that is only part of the problem and its not the main problem. The key in reducing corruption is to reduce the monetary value of the transactions and the frequency, and the only way to do that is to go after the buying/selling of positions and the rule of law. Once you do that, then countries like China will be more like Malaysia.
Corruption is not cultural. Some of our posters say, because you aren't China you won't understand China. There is a cultural component, but its mostly economic. If the economic motives exist ie paid $200,000 to become a detective then he will make sure his investment is paid off in time.
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Well--- Naturally
As an Indian ---you conveniently left out INDIA
Compare India to China
Whatever it is--- Chinese Govt officials have
(1) Lifted 500 million poor out of poverty
(2) Made USD 3.3 trillion in forex exchange
WHEREAS India is the poorest country in the world with half its people hungry and according to EUROPE PARLIAMENT == having 700 million living on less than USD 1 per day
Compare infrastructure in China VS India
China is much more successful than India as far as the management of the Country's monies
Meanwhile---India is sinking and sinking and sinking --- while you Indians shoot your mouths offs..
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AND Please show proof that govt positions in China can be bought
If so--- how come China can put a Man into space --- and dock their space-stations successfully while India cannot
HOW COME ...
UNICEF === India refuses to spend USD 4 billion per year to save the lives of 2,000,000 Indian babies below 1 year old--- who die each year --- due to lack of pre-natal and post-natal care and lack of water and food
India prefers to spend USD 3,6 billion to re-furblish an old Russian aircraft-carrier than to save the lives of 2,000,000 babies
China's forex reserves = USD 3,3 trillion
India 's forex reserves = USD 280 billion
WHERE Have all of India's monies gone to ?????????
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And your comments relate to Bismarks post how? You wanted to prove that you can deflect but not discuss? I am actually surprised you do not understand why China has accumulated such a large amount of US treasuries, to keep the RMB low maybe?
Did I mention India. No. India has just as bad corruption problem as China, maybe worse. Does not matter, because India, China and Indonesia are all in the major leagues in terms of corruption. I use Indonesia because I am more familiar with corruption in Indonesia than India.
Even the CPC admits government officials buy and sell positions. Its not some Western conspiracy, its fact.
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http://www.china.org.cn/english/2006/Jul/175227.htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2006-11/12/content_730881.htm
Despite what other people think, I doubt you are from mainland China. A mainland Chinese would know that the buying and selling of officials positions occurs in China. They wouldn't even ask for the proof. Unlike others here I wouldn't waste my time writing a several paragraphs unless I knew it was the truth or more precisely backed by Chinese government sources.
I agree to some extent but I'm not so sure the highest positions are the government in the West. That is where I stop agreeing with you. The highest positions in the West are in the Corporate or Banking sector. As some like to say,"In China the government owns the banks, In the West the Banks own the government". For proof of my claims one only needs to see the OWS Movement, watch Anonymous, the Infowars or the myriad of financial crises going on in the West and you will see my point. In the West Goldman Sachs is more powerful then the President.
Give a man a gun and he will rob a bank, give a man a bank and he will rob the world.
When someone try to point a finger to China,why they start comparing themselves to India.Is it just a defensive technique or this due to some inferiority complex? ........
That is just cliche. You did not read carefully what I said. I said in all countries there are the problem with "some" elites milking the system, whether in China/US.
What you don't understand about those people running Goldman Sachs is the rewards they get for fixing the system is minimal. Their shareholders also. The CEO of Goldman Sachs makes about $54 Million. Add in some tax evasion, loops holes maybe $100 Million . The rewards they get for massaging the system don't justify the effort in influencing Congress. As for the shareholders, who is the largest shareholder of Goldman Sach's. Do you know?
Secondly, every industry in the US influences Congress, whether its Hollywood, Farming, Manufacturing. In China they don't even have to bother.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-26/china-s-billionaire-lawmakers-m...
My point was to focus at the lower levels of government. Almost every positions in China that deals with personal and money, is infested with corruption. Take for example Wukan, a village of 20,000 people, the party officials were kicked out of the CPC for land grabs. The power of corrupt officials in China goes down to the village level. Whereas Goldman's Sach influence on the average American is indirect.
I've come to conclusion that Western politics is overestimated... I insist on this point: we can't criticize Chinese policy-making, economy and way of living, under the views of America & Europe: Chinese have evolved with different education and policies than ours. That's the first fact.
"With social tensions rising steadily, the public’s patience with the extravagance of the official class is wearing thin..."
"The situation is like duelling with hand grenades..."
Sometimes, mass-media comms. (at some extent) play a role of acting as "mediators" among cultures and between politicians (at certain level, at least). This is the wrong approach: talking bitterly about corruption in China at mass-media comms. overseas, will only provoke policy-makers in China to feel bolder and more cocky on their (already existing) resentment against Western powers... Soft power in the USA and EU is diminishing: DIRTY CAMPAIGN IS NOT AN OPTION.
And regarding corruption in China, well, let's say that Hong Kong SAR. ranks 12, Macau SAR. ranks 50, and PR. of China ranks 75: at Global Transparency/ Corruption Index (2011)... That's PRETTY HIGHER than many (Latin) American countries, most of Islamic Republics and many Eastern European democracies, WOULD EVEN ASK FOR!
The article is now blocked in China.
Shoot the messenger!
I'm surprised they didn't do that earlier!
Then there is something wrong with your computer. I'm reading and commenting right how without my VPN on.
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Those damn Chinese are all corrupt. It's in their blood in their society and culture. If they are Chinese they are automatically corrupt. Look at all the biggest cases of financial fraud and corruption in the last few decades and you will see they are all clearly Chinese names: WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, Global Crossing, Adelphia, Bernie Madoff, Lehman, Allan R. Stanford, The Rothschilds and Rockefellers and those damn Chinese bankers on Wall Street(I heard it was somewhere in Guangdong Province IDK I don't know much about China but that doesn't stop me from judging it)sucking China's middle class dry and issuing multimillion dollar bonuses to the top few while blue collared Chinese workers wages have stagnated for years. Those bastards.
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I've been reading these comments and its somewhat unbelievable that so many would actually believe that corruption is inherently a Chinese, no better yet, an Asian trait. It's despicable that you can actually believe such a thing. Corruption has no color. It's funny that so many Westerners, those who laud themselves as the most objective thinkers and criticize Asians for being so "White and black" in our logic, would use such blanket statements in their analysis. Thereby choosing objectivity only when when it suits them, HYPOCRISY.
But, but, but Chinas' Transparency international rankings for corruption is 75th!!!!!!!
Congratulations you can use google but obviously do not know how to objectively analyze data. Why would you compare China to developed OECD countries? Does that make sense to you or does it serve your purpose in finding any fault possible in the Chinese government. how about you compare China to other countries in similar stages of development and then you'll see how well China really stacks up. O here's another statistic if people would also like to take it at face value. The Gini Coefficient, which is also by the way a good way to measure corruption since it measures income distribution, is also something interesting to consider. China, after all, is worried about income inequality. Something the western media harps on a daily basis as the harbinger of the inevitable collapse of the CCP. China currently stands at a score of 41-46(depending on the source) but what many do not realize is that the very one doing the critiquing of the Chinese government is themselves in the same exact place with a score of 45. Yes, that is the United States score for income distribution and it is nearly the exact same as the "very corrupt" government you wish to lecture. Here is another statistic. Back in 2010 when HDI figures were adjusted to include income equality China's HDI took a 23% hit while India, the vaunted worlds largest democracy, took a 30% hit in their HDI..?? Try to explain that one away under the veil of democracy you so love. Unfortunately democracy was created by man and is therefor not perfect(just like the Chinese government)and also can be extremely corrupt itself. All governments are subject to many changes over time(which China is doing herself but in her own way)and democracy is no different for it is also susceptible to a heavy dose of corruption.
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At the end of the day God Bless America(I'm American) and China. I'm somewhat new to The Economist and have heard that Pro China commenters are called "50 Cent Army" and Pro Americans are called "1 dime Agents",right? Well I'm both so I guess you can call me a "5 Dime Agent" ha
Singapore is, according to the Transparency International Index, the 5th least corrupt country in the world. Also, the population of Singapore is also of ~74% Chinese ancestry.
You're right, of course - the instinctive practice/tolerance of corruption among the Han is something that should be welcomed, not condemned.
Singapore, as JTG notes, is such a unique case - and I love the place, to visit. Hope its success survives the passing of LKY, but who knows ... kind of like trying to hold a beach-ball underwater, isn't it?
Fox believes that all Asians (he mostly focuses on the Han, but I've seen him write racist stuff against the Japanese, the Burmese, and etc from time to time) are "dogs."
When presented with evidence of how Singapore is not corrupt, he immediately dismiss it as an anomaly (trying to hold a beach-ball underwater?) FYI Hong Kong and Taiwan also rank low on corruption.
He also hates Jews, atheists, black people, and especially mixed raced black people who also happened to be the current president of the USA. He sounds pretty miserable to me.
Even though Singapore is not a democracy, it's education, social and legal systems are based on and heavily influenced by the British system.
Make of that what you will. But that is the bigger difference between Singapore and China.
Really? (said with astonishment) :-)
"Look at all the biggest cases of financial fraud and corruption in the last few decades and you will see they are all clearly Chinese names: WorldCom, Enron, Tyco, Global Crossing, Adelphia, Bernie Madoff, Lehman, Allan R. Stanford, The Rothschilds and Rockefellers and those damn Chinese bankers on Wall Street(I heard it was somewhere in Guangdong Province IDK I don't know much about China but that doesn't stop me from judging it)sucking China's middle class dry and issuing multimillion dollar bonuses to the top few while blue collared Chinese workers wages have stagnated for years. Those bastards."
Leaving aside your sarcasm, the difference in each of these cases is that the corruption was uncovered by our own government and widely reported by our own media, drawing on universal condemnation from our own people. It's clear that articles like this one printed by TE will never see the light of day in China due to lack of free press. Chinese people should be happy that closer scrutiny from foreign press can help them clean house. We all know that there is a lot of corruption around the world, but China's corruption gets special attention in the west because China is now the world's 2nd largest economy and a rising superpower. If it wants to be seen as an important player on the world stage, then it needs to have a government that is relatively clean and fair. Since there are no checks and balances inside China, like free press or an independent judiciary, it is then up to outside parties to keep their government honest. At the end of the day, a clean and corruption-free government is what's needed to move a country into 1st world status. Until China gets there, they will not get respect from the rest of the world. So try not to be so defensive. This kind of media scrutiny benefits China more than any other country.
"It's clear that articles like this one printed by TE will never see the light of day in China due to lack of free press."
This article by the TE is readily available in China. I'm reading it here right now without a VPN.
I basically agree with your other points, but I think you are overly optimistic if you truly believe that the foreign press will help reduce corruption in China.
What I meant was, the Chinese media will never print it.
Then you are obviously wrong, because chinese media like NangFang Daily will always push its limit to challenge CPC !! Where are you living now, not in China and you don't read Chinese press. Did you government block your access to Chinese media?? LOL
I agree with you for the most part. I have no problem with people saying that the government is corrupt, I would be one of the first to say it. Where my problem stems from is when people start using labels and insinuate that it is only a Chinese problem or trait. That it is cultural and racial, which is completely ridiculous. That is when they cross the line into prejudice. My main point was that corruption is a human trait and so long as there are humans there will be corruption Chinese or otherwise. I was not trying to be defensive. I only had a few minutes to write the comment(proof reading be damned) so I wanted to accomplish as much as I could in a short time. How was I going to catch the readers attention(hence the sarcasm) and I wanted to be assertive in making my point. I was starting to run out of time if you can't tell my writing was starting to fall apart a little by the time I got halfway through the third paragraph(didn't realize time flew like that so I had to hurry and finish). The only part I don't truly agree with you on is the fact that the government uncovered the cases of corruption. It was more of a "Hey this is to big for us to cover up anymore" type of moment rather than a preemptive strike against corruption. Leaving that aside all the cases we know of today were also uncovered by the Chinese government, Bo Xalai and the Kwok brothers for example. Even the thousands of protests that China bears love to mention as the fall of the CCP exists. The Chinese press may not be free but the people are not ignorant to the corruption and also demonstrate their disdain for corrupt officials(among many other topics). The Chinese society isn't as closed as one would think.
I see your a firm believer in the saying,"If it's not white, it's not right". Well to each his own and that is your opinion(no matter how asinine it may be). You can post hateful comments about China and the Chinese all you want but remember this..
"No matter how hard the wind blows a mountain will never bow down to it"
Just a little Chinese proverb for you to think about.