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Iran and nuclear weapons
Sticks now, carrots later
Iran is back at the negotiating table. But trust in its diplomacy and in its theological utterances about nuclear weapons (see article) is fragile
How many so called Arab Palestinians were born out of Palestine in the last 60 years? Hundreds of thousands. Yet you insist they were 'pals" notwithstanding and had "the right to return". Different yardstick?
Bad news: right or no right, there is no space for them in Palestine any more.
Send Ahmadinejad and Hassan Firouzabadi to Hiroshima. Two birds with one stone: they may decide that Iran needs no nukes after all; and will be able to see what can happen to Tehran if they insist that the national cause of their country is "the full annihilation of Israel”.
Israelis are THE people of Palestine. Didn't you know that? Surprise, surprise!
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Aw, and the Samson option. This is a way to retaliate in the case of aggression only, so the way out of it is so simple: don't try to exterminate Israel. Then everything is jolly good and peaceful. Have any difficulties to comprehend?
You say:
'...Israel with its current nutty leadership can have Nukes to be used at its will! Also in your considered opinion Nukes are there to be used!'
Israel established the Dimona reactor sometime during late 50's, early 60's. Since then it was at war several times, in some cases under a strong sense of existential threat (1967, 1973). And yet, not only that Israel didn't use an A-Bomb, it never even threatened to do so.
Don't you fine it odd? - Maybe Israel do not have such weapons and just wishes to have every one think it has, so that the perception of Israel having acts as the deterrent?
You said: "Iran has not attacked anyone and they are none of America's problem."
LIES.
Since the Iranian Fascist Revolution … the Iranian Regime has declared itself to be the enemy of the West … it held US Embassy staff for a YEAR … Iran has funded terror groups … Hezbollah which has perpetrated acts against the USA in Lebanon in 1983 killing 299 American troops … at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia killing 20 American troops … Hezbollah has bombed a Jewish Community Center in Argentina killing innocents … the recent attempt in the USA to kill the Saudi Ambassador … Iran has supplied IED's to Iraqi insurgents killing/maiming American troops … Iran has supplied Afghani Taliban with IED's and support in order to kill/maim American troops …
The Iranians are the mortal enemy of the United States … the Iranians have said so!!!!!
Iran is fixated on the 'Big Satan' and the 'Little Satan' and ending the 'way of life' in the West …
They are an 'imagined' threat … only because they are a 'Paper Tiger' … without the ability to cause 'real harm' to Israel or America but nevertheless calling for their demise!
The Mullahs/ICRG will be taken down … a regime change is required in order to return the Iranian People to their future … There will be a war or there will be regime change or there will be BOTH!
Let the Iranian People topple their own thugs … that would be best … 'it's coming and it won't be long'!!!!!
It's the pipe-dreamed "Palestinian State" which is purported to be a racist structure: Jew-free land, Nazi fancy come true. In Israel all citizens, irrespective of religion and ethnicity. have equal rights. The worst nightmare of Israeli Arabs is one grim day to find themselves under Fatah or Hamas rule. They prey to Allah five times a day this never to happen.
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I understand your green envy because of "Jewish incentives", but really can't help you with this. Ow, just a second: you could undergo giyur - conversion to Judaism. But I must warn you: your fellow Mohammedans will issue a fatwa and will try to kill you for the act of apostasy. If they don't succeed, they'll continue trying to kill you just as a Jew. Think hard before you decide that "incentives" are worth it!
You ask what does someone do if he/she is corned? Nothing. What can you do when you're dead meat? But when you're cornered, as you believe Iran is, you still can make the right decision and avoid being cured.
Canada's PM Harper is on record as stating Canada is solidly behind the Jewish State of Israel and AGAINST the Iranian regimes attempt to gain Nuclear Weapons!
That's CANADA'S PERSPECTIVE.
What you given us … is YOUR Arab/Muslim perspective? YOUR LEFTY perspective?
The arms race will begin with an Iranian NUKE … Saudi Arabia has already TOLD the USA that if Iran goes NUCLEAR they will … Egypt and Turkey would be next! NO this zones of hot heads … does not need ACCELERANT to start a fire! NO NUKES.
Surely you exaggerate Iran's standing in the world!
Who would come to their defense? China? Russia? Let me know.
Iran is a paper tiger … all talk and IED's … they'll be dust if they raise their heads …
If they attack America through terror/sleeper cells … they'll know the fury of American willpower … Arab/Muslims/Persians will feel the fury of an America at war with their enemy … nothing like being attacked to become stronger internally …
You're an anti-Semite … your blathering about "Israeli blackmail controls much of the Western powers decision making …" is a Nazi-propaganda ruse … frankly it’s out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion … a ‘fake’ propaganda piece you’re mouthing! Shame on you … only hate mongers would use that forgery … BTW … it’s now a staple of Arab/Muslim culture … is that where you got it?
You said: "Israel which has … launching aggressive wars after wars … is sitting pretty over miles and miles of Arab lands …"
Israel HAS NOT launched an AGGRESSIVE WAR … it has been the brunt of a non-stop assault on its sovereignty since May 1948 … the Arab/Muslim states have never recognized the Jewish State ON ANY TERRITORY … just because the Jews are able to 'defend' better than the Arab/Muslims … doesn't mean they're guilty of anything!
You said: "The ill-informed American voters …"
The American People have a FREE AND OPEN press … one that is unconstrained by government … giving the American People individually as much or as little information as they each need …
You are vexed that the American People support the Jewish State over the Arab/Muslims by a 70/30 ratio …
the liberal democratic Jewish State shares the values of the West …
unlike the Arab/Muslims who speak about democracy but VOTE FOR ISLAMIST LEADERSHIP …
unlike the Arab/Muslims who speak about freedom but DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHRISITANS …
That won’t change tomorrow … it’ll be decades or centuries before real change happens to the Arab/Muslims … they’re so far behind the curve to modernity … they’re the Sad Sacks of Planet Earth! Don’t pity them … they don’t need your pity … they need to lose their tribalism … feudalism … obscurantist faith … yeah … like I said … centuries !!!!
Back off RP … the dude didn't say anything hateful or nasty towards Jews/Zionists/Israelis … READ HIS SHIT!
But he did say, "since a few years ago, Iran has been acting as a cornered and annoyed wild beast" …
EVER SINCE THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION … don't you get it Aztec? Islamism/Reactionary Islam … is a hateful belief that is against the BIG SATAN AND THE LITTLE SATAN … IN GENERAL AGAINST THE 'WEST' … THAT IS … Iran is our mortal enemy … the West and Islamism/Iran are inimical enemies … we cannot co-exist in peace … they have been waging war against the West since 1979 beginning with the American Hostage Crisis! It has not stopped since then … it will not stop until the Islamist Regime is ended … they are like any Fascist Regime … committed to their BS … they don't get ulcers … THEY GIVE THEM!
Iran and the Mullocracy/ICRG must go down … their Nuclear ambitions ended … then the other 'baddies' of the world will be shown a lesson! North Korea will be next … Pakistan is too pre-occupied with India to gaze further a field … Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is 'crazy' … the area is filled with 'crazies' already with weapons including WMD's but Nukes … NOT A CHANCE … the game must be ENDED.
Well I prefer war rather than giving up and bowing to the Israeli lobbyists. But if they ever attack Iran, they should consider that such an act would mean nothing less than a WW3
The reasoning for acquiring a NUCLEAR DETERRANT … isn't to use it against anyone … it's in order to preserve the MULLAH ISLAMIST DICTATORSHIP … they think the bomb will get them a 'get out of jail free card' … NO ONE WILL ATTACK THEM!
That's the point.
OF COURSE … Israel would annihilate Iran … it would be vaporized should they attack or feign an attack by nuclear weapons …
NO … Iran is different … it's led by a fascist Islamist government in bed with the ICRG … the Iranian People are being held hostage to this Islamist thugocracy …
They will go down!
There's a consensus in the West that Iran's NUKE program is a threat to ALL not ONLY to Israel. Israel is the Little Satan but America is the BIG SATAN … the sworn enemies of the fascist Islamist State of Iran!
Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT … they don't need to be subject to the IAEA …
Iran is a signatory to the treaty … therefore they must abide by its regulations … by not complying with the IAEA inspections in a 'transparent' manner … they have raised 'red flags' … their behaviour is suspect and their words meaningless …
Why equate the 2 countries on this issue? The REAL ISSUE is nuclear NON-PROLIFERATION … NO MORE NUKES IN THE HANDS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY! The line in the sand has been drawn. In today's news … its reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia … said to the US administration years ago … that 'if Iran gets NUKES … we'll get NUKES … and that WON'T STOP THE PROLIFERATION … since Egypt and Turkey would want in on that as well …
NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION is the goal … once that has been achieved we can start to roll back the NUKES of the rest of Planet Earth … BUT NO NUKES FOR IRAN … PERIOD!!!!!
I fear more bombs held by more people is likely to make one go bang sooner.
I suspect countries that have nuclear weapons will not give them up.
Strangely while the UK does not support Nuclear disarmament, the UK does not make its own computer software, to control the nuclear weapons, but the lets the USA provide command and control of the weapons stocks.
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How many so called Arab Palestinians were born out of Palestine in the last 60 years? Hundreds of thousands. Yet you insist they were 'pals" notwithstanding and had "the right to return". Different yardstick?
Bad news: right or no right, there is no space for them in Palestine any more.
Send Ahmadinejad and Hassan Firouzabadi to Hiroshima. Two birds with one stone: they may decide that Iran needs no nukes after all; and will be able to see what can happen to Tehran if they insist that the national cause of their country is "the full annihilation of Israel”.
Israelis are THE people of Palestine. Didn't you know that? Surprise, surprise!
.
Aw, and the Samson option. This is a way to retaliate in the case of aggression only, so the way out of it is so simple: don't try to exterminate Israel. Then everything is jolly good and peaceful. Have any difficulties to comprehend?
You say:
'...Israel with its current nutty leadership can have Nukes to be used at its will! Also in your considered opinion Nukes are there to be used!'
Israel established the Dimona reactor sometime during late 50's, early 60's. Since then it was at war several times, in some cases under a strong sense of existential threat (1967, 1973). And yet, not only that Israel didn't use an A-Bomb, it never even threatened to do so.
Don't you fine it odd? - Maybe Israel do not have such weapons and just wishes to have every one think it has, so that the perception of Israel having acts as the deterrent?
Maybe he can send Iran a letter.
New photos emerge of suspected evidence removal from a site... the Iranians forbid IAEA officals from visiting.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9253558/Iran-s...
Why would Iran do that? - Mmmm....
You said: "Iran has not attacked anyone and they are none of America's problem."
LIES.
Since the Iranian Fascist Revolution … the Iranian Regime has declared itself to be the enemy of the West … it held US Embassy staff for a YEAR … Iran has funded terror groups … Hezbollah which has perpetrated acts against the USA in Lebanon in 1983 killing 299 American troops … at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia killing 20 American troops … Hezbollah has bombed a Jewish Community Center in Argentina killing innocents … the recent attempt in the USA to kill the Saudi Ambassador … Iran has supplied IED's to Iraqi insurgents killing/maiming American troops … Iran has supplied Afghani Taliban with IED's and support in order to kill/maim American troops …
The Iranians are the mortal enemy of the United States … the Iranians have said so!!!!!
Iran is fixated on the 'Big Satan' and the 'Little Satan' and ending the 'way of life' in the West …
They are an 'imagined' threat … only because they are a 'Paper Tiger' … without the ability to cause 'real harm' to Israel or America but nevertheless calling for their demise!
The Mullahs/ICRG will be taken down … a regime change is required in order to return the Iranian People to their future … There will be a war or there will be regime change or there will be BOTH!
Let the Iranian People topple their own thugs … that would be best … 'it's coming and it won't be long'!!!!!
It's the pipe-dreamed "Palestinian State" which is purported to be a racist structure: Jew-free land, Nazi fancy come true. In Israel all citizens, irrespective of religion and ethnicity. have equal rights. The worst nightmare of Israeli Arabs is one grim day to find themselves under Fatah or Hamas rule. They prey to Allah five times a day this never to happen.
.
I understand your green envy because of "Jewish incentives", but really can't help you with this. Ow, just a second: you could undergo giyur - conversion to Judaism. But I must warn you: your fellow Mohammedans will issue a fatwa and will try to kill you for the act of apostasy. If they don't succeed, they'll continue trying to kill you just as a Jew. Think hard before you decide that "incentives" are worth it!
You ask what does someone do if he/she is corned? Nothing. What can you do when you're dead meat? But when you're cornered, as you believe Iran is, you still can make the right decision and avoid being cured.
A Canadian Perspective? It's YOUR perspective!
Canada's PM Harper is on record as stating Canada is solidly behind the Jewish State of Israel and AGAINST the Iranian regimes attempt to gain Nuclear Weapons!
That's CANADA'S PERSPECTIVE.
What you given us … is YOUR Arab/Muslim perspective? YOUR LEFTY perspective?
The arms race will begin with an Iranian NUKE … Saudi Arabia has already TOLD the USA that if Iran goes NUCLEAR they will … Egypt and Turkey would be next! NO this zones of hot heads … does not need ACCELERANT to start a fire! NO NUKES.
WWIII ?
Surely you exaggerate Iran's standing in the world!
Who would come to their defense? China? Russia? Let me know.
Iran is a paper tiger … all talk and IED's … they'll be dust if they raise their heads …
If they attack America through terror/sleeper cells … they'll know the fury of American willpower … Arab/Muslims/Persians will feel the fury of an America at war with their enemy … nothing like being attacked to become stronger internally …
'You ain't seen nothing yet!'
You're an anti-Semite … your blathering about "Israeli blackmail controls much of the Western powers decision making …" is a Nazi-propaganda ruse … frankly it’s out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion … a ‘fake’ propaganda piece you’re mouthing! Shame on you … only hate mongers would use that forgery … BTW … it’s now a staple of Arab/Muslim culture … is that where you got it?
You said: "Israel which has … launching aggressive wars after wars … is sitting pretty over miles and miles of Arab lands …"
Israel HAS NOT launched an AGGRESSIVE WAR … it has been the brunt of a non-stop assault on its sovereignty since May 1948 … the Arab/Muslim states have never recognized the Jewish State ON ANY TERRITORY … just because the Jews are able to 'defend' better than the Arab/Muslims … doesn't mean they're guilty of anything!
You said: "The ill-informed American voters …"
The American People have a FREE AND OPEN press … one that is unconstrained by government … giving the American People individually as much or as little information as they each need …
You are vexed that the American People support the Jewish State over the Arab/Muslims by a 70/30 ratio …
the liberal democratic Jewish State shares the values of the West …
unlike the Arab/Muslims who speak about democracy but VOTE FOR ISLAMIST LEADERSHIP …
unlike the Arab/Muslims who speak about freedom but DISCRIMINATE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHRISITANS …
That won’t change tomorrow … it’ll be decades or centuries before real change happens to the Arab/Muslims … they’re so far behind the curve to modernity … they’re the Sad Sacks of Planet Earth! Don’t pity them … they don’t need your pity … they need to lose their tribalism … feudalism … obscurantist faith … yeah … like I said … centuries !!!!
Back off RP … the dude didn't say anything hateful or nasty towards Jews/Zionists/Israelis … READ HIS SHIT!
But he did say, "since a few years ago, Iran has been acting as a cornered and annoyed wild beast" …
EVER SINCE THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION … don't you get it Aztec? Islamism/Reactionary Islam … is a hateful belief that is against the BIG SATAN AND THE LITTLE SATAN … IN GENERAL AGAINST THE 'WEST' … THAT IS … Iran is our mortal enemy … the West and Islamism/Iran are inimical enemies … we cannot co-exist in peace … they have been waging war against the West since 1979 beginning with the American Hostage Crisis! It has not stopped since then … it will not stop until the Islamist Regime is ended … they are like any Fascist Regime … committed to their BS … they don't get ulcers … THEY GIVE THEM!
Iran and the Mullocracy/ICRG must go down … their Nuclear ambitions ended … then the other 'baddies' of the world will be shown a lesson! North Korea will be next … Pakistan is too pre-occupied with India to gaze further a field … Nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is 'crazy' … the area is filled with 'crazies' already with weapons including WMD's but Nukes … NOT A CHANCE … the game must be ENDED.
Well I prefer war rather than giving up and bowing to the Israeli lobbyists. But if they ever attack Iran, they should consider that such an act would mean nothing less than a WW3
You are so unbelievably ignorant.
The reasoning for acquiring a NUCLEAR DETERRANT … isn't to use it against anyone … it's in order to preserve the MULLAH ISLAMIST DICTATORSHIP … they think the bomb will get them a 'get out of jail free card' … NO ONE WILL ATTACK THEM!
That's the point.
OF COURSE … Israel would annihilate Iran … it would be vaporized should they attack or feign an attack by nuclear weapons …
The Pakistanis are willing to sell … the North Koreans are willing to sell …
Saudi Arabia … is willing to buy …
As a broker … you'd make a lot of money … but you'd rot in hell (if there's is hell)? LOL
They're too stupid for anything except buying it … besides they're too lazy!
I highly doubt that saudi arabia has the technical ability to go nuclear. Their creativity is limited to digging for oil and beheading infidels.
NO … Iran is different … it's led by a fascist Islamist government in bed with the ICRG … the Iranian People are being held hostage to this Islamist thugocracy …
They will go down!
There's a consensus in the West that Iran's NUKE program is a threat to ALL not ONLY to Israel. Israel is the Little Satan but America is the BIG SATAN … the sworn enemies of the fascist Islamist State of Iran!
Can you say … good night?
Israel is not a signatory to the NNPT … they don't need to be subject to the IAEA …
Iran is a signatory to the treaty … therefore they must abide by its regulations … by not complying with the IAEA inspections in a 'transparent' manner … they have raised 'red flags' … their behaviour is suspect and their words meaningless …
Why equate the 2 countries on this issue? The REAL ISSUE is nuclear NON-PROLIFERATION … NO MORE NUKES IN THE HANDS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY! The line in the sand has been drawn. In today's news … its reported that King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia … said to the US administration years ago … that 'if Iran gets NUKES … we'll get NUKES … and that WON'T STOP THE PROLIFERATION … since Egypt and Turkey would want in on that as well …
NUCLEAR NON-PROLIFERATION is the goal … once that has been achieved we can start to roll back the NUKES of the rest of Planet Earth … BUT NO NUKES FOR IRAN … PERIOD!!!!!
I fear more bombs held by more people is likely to make one go bang sooner.
I suspect countries that have nuclear weapons will not give them up.
Strangely while the UK does not support Nuclear disarmament, the UK does not make its own computer software, to control the nuclear weapons, but the lets the USA provide command and control of the weapons stocks.